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Skriven 2014-07-20 08:13:00 av TIM RICHARDSON (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av KEES VAN EETEN
Ärende: Ukraine
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On 07-19-14, KEES VAN EETEN said to ALEXANDER KORYAGIN:

KV>Hello alexander!

KV>19 Jul 14 22:30, you wrote to Joe Delahaye:

ak> There are good questions we can get from these boxes: who ordered the
ak> plane to change its usual root? What the Ukrainian dispatchers told the
ak> crew? Why, while knowing well that the rebels have high altitude rockets
ak> the authority in Kiev does not prevent the plane to fly over the war

KV>zone? It happens, that the great circle route from Amsterdam to Kuala
KV>Lumpur passes over the Ukraine including the easten part. According to
KV>experts there was a no-fly zone over the eastern-Ukraine below 7.5 kM.
KV>The normal cruising hight on this route is 10kM.

KV>There are so many warzones in the World, that it is not possible/practicle
KV>to not to fly over them. To decide what it safe, it is taken into account
KV>what equipment is available to those fighting.

KV>It was not expected that those fighting in the warzone had access to
KV>equipment that is said to reach to a height of 25kM.

KV>It is up to the airlines to decide what route they take. Cost of
KV>fuel is part and the risks are part of their equation.


A couple of things;


First...the pilot is chiefly responsible for what the aircraft does
once it leaves the ground.


Secondly...this incident calls to mind the incident where a civilian
aircraft deliberately took off and aimed its takeoff path directly
at an American war ship, such that the captain of that war ship shot
it down thinking it might be an enemy missile. The USS Vincennse saw
a large object approaching it at a high velocity in the Persian Gulf.


The captain treated the object as a hostile missile and his crew shot
it down. It was an Iranian aircraft, full of Iranian passengers, and
nobody misses them. Well....maybe other Iranians. Anyway, hopefully,
the captain was promoted to admiral later in his career for his act
of human decency (killing Iranians).


In any case...any pilot who takes a civilian aircraft over a war zone
is taking a chance of being shot down. Even if it is supposedly known
before hand by the combatants that civilian aircraft are liable to
fly overhead in the battle zone, it is ultimately the responsibility
of the pilot of the aircraft for whatever happens. If it is the usual
policy of a civilian airline to route their aircraft over a combat
area, then they become liable for whatever happens, both financially
and morally. Dealing with combatants of either Eastern Europe, or the
Middle East, it is to be expected that one side or the other will do
something atrocious, like shoot down a civilian aircraft with hundreds
of innocents aboard, and care not a bit for the consequences. Dealing
with Russians, whether of the old Soviet Union kind, or the modern-day
version, the mental type is the same; they aren't known as `The Russian
Bear' for nothing! By the way...isn't Putin ex-KGB? That alone says a lot.


And there is already precedent for this; it was Russian war planes that
stalked and shot down a Korean airliner, back in the 1980's.





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