Text 16810, 71 rader
Skriven 2014-07-20 19:24:32 av alexander koryagin (2:5020/2140.2)
  Kommentar till text 16765 av Nik Krizhanowskiy (2:5020/2141.238)
Ärende: Re: Ukraine
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Hi, Nik Krizhanowskiy!
I read your message from  19.07.2014 21:01
about Re: Ukraine.

  NK> <skipped>
  AK>> 3. So, after knowing that the rebels have BUK, Ukrainians ordered
  AK>> MH17 to fly to the north, right over war zone and even asked it to
  AK>> fly lower. They hoped that the rebels would take this plane for
  AK>> the Ukrainian transport plane and shoot it down. It seems, they
  AK>> managed to realize their plan. Bye, Ross! Alexander Koryagin
  AK>> fido7.fidonews 2014

  NK> It lies Russian media! Malaysian airlines representative said that
  NK> the plane did not deviate from the normal course and flew to normal
  NK> height!

Malaysian airlines representatives have been still looking for their 
previous plane. So, no trust for them. But there is data from 
flightaware web site, which is a disinterested party. That is the ground 
for the maps of the previous flights, published in a Russian paper 
(everyone can see at least pictures):
http://www.kp.ru/daily/26257/3136622/

  NK> fired OSCE mission show the true face of the Kremlin. Experts not
  NK> allowed to inspect the crash site.

I saw them inspecting it on TV (it was on EuroNews).

  NK> Next on russian, specially for Alexander:
<skipped>
I've translated Nik's Russian sentences and reply to them:

-----Beginning of the citation-----
  NK> Believe me that it is correct that thousands of Russians are called
  NK> terrorists. Regular soldiers from Russian army are killing
  NK> Ukrainians. There are almost no rebels from Ukraine. Russia fights
  NK> against Ukraine. I tell it surely because I am in the center of the
  NK> war zone; I talked with the Russian soldiers, and I saw how MH17
  NK> had been show down, myself.
----- The end of the citation -----

Well, I'll try to explain it to you logically. Let's admit for a minute 
that local eastern Ukraine Russian people don't participate in the war 
against the Ukrainian army, as you saying.

1. Russia in this case fights with Ukrainian troops by small armed 
groups. What on earth Russia is going to get in this case?

2. Can these groups defeat the Ukrainian army? Of course not. They fight 
as a rule only with small weapon against packs of tanks, heavy 
artillery, assault aviation. The Ukrainian soldiers outnumber the 
Russian fighters greatly. Maybe this "regular Russian soldiers" are 
martyrs? Tell me the reason why a Russian soldier should go to another 
country, almost unarmed, if all the people in Ukraine are happy with the 
present government?

3. Probably, the groups from Russia could have unleashed a gorilla war. 
They could hide themselves in forests etc. But in reality these people 
defend cities _openly_; they stand under deadly heavy fire, tens of them 
are killed every day. Do you think that Russian soldiers are crazy?

This war has no sense without local population. Almost all of the revels 
are local people, and most people from the Russian majority support 
them. Very probably that local Ukrainian minority does opposite, like 
you do.

Bye, Nik!
Alexander Koryagin
fido7.fidonews 2014
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