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Skriven 2014-07-26 19:51:13 av Lee Lofaso (2:203/2)
  Kommentar till text 17003 av David Drummond (3:640/305)
Ärende: Citizenship
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Hello David,

 DD>>>>> I have lived permanently in this country for 34 years. I am not
 LL>>>> Australian.

 DD>>> I am not a citizen of Australia, I do not have voting rights here. I
 DD> do
 DD>>> have the right to pay taxes here however.

 LL>> What is a citizen?

 DD> A person with some sort of documentary evidence that they belong in a
 DD> particular nation, and that nation accepts them as one of its own (will
 DD> issue them a passport).

IOW, by your definition, citizens have certain rights that non-citizens
do not.  But only those rights that a particular government decides to
confer upon that individual(s).  By that logic, what the lord giveth,
the lord can taketh away.  As such, no individuals have any rights.
And citizens is just an empty word with no real meaning.

 LL>> If not a citizen of Australia, then a citizen of what?

 DD> I am a permanent resident in Australia, I hold New Zealand citizenship (so
 DD> it says on my passport).

Oh, come now!  Something given has no value!  Haven't I tought you
dimwits anything?  Sheesh!  I guess they ought to revoke my teaching
credential ...

Do you vote?  Even if you choose not to vote, you have the right to
vote.  At least in NZ, which has chosen to grant you citizenship (how
very nice of them).  When you vote, you are using force.  And force
is violence.  Violence is, of course, the Supreme Authority from
which all good things (other authority devices) come from.

Now it may be that you are a holy man, like Jesus, and have chosen
the path of non-violence.  In which case you gave up the right to vote
long ago ...

 LL>> Diogenes the Dog claimed to be a citizen of the world.  Does that
 LL>> make any such claim of citizenship valid for any and all countries?

 DD> One cannot be a citizen of the world (yet, there is no one world
government
 DD> or nation)

There is the New World Order.  Does that count?

 LL>> What about stateless citizens?  What are they citizens of?  Are refugee
 LL>> camps they live in countries that are recognized by the United Nations?

 DD> Is there such a thing as a stateless citizen?

Ask the Palestinians who have no home.

 LL>> Cajuns were exiled from their home and never allowed to return.
 LL>> To this very day, the King/Queen of England has never apologized,
 LL>> even though the Cajun people had done no wrong or committed any
 LL>> crime or act of treason.

 DD> Why were they exiled? <Mr Google says: Canada> Were you personally exiled
or
 DD> were you born in Louisiana?

Cajuns were exiled because they spoke French rather than the King's
English.  And for that, Cajuns have never been forgiven ...

Technically, we remain under indictment and are not allowed to return.
But Canadians (especially French-speaking Canadians) gladly welcome
Cajun tourists ...

 LL>> Personally, I think this whole idea of citizenship
 LL>> and national sovereignty is total bunk'em.

 DD> It gives people something to fight about and gives some a feeling of
 DD> superiority when they real feel inferior.

Even St. Paul fought hard to keep his Roman citizenship.
And the Roman courts ruled in his favor, which is why he was
beheaded.  St. Peter tried to go that route, but lost his case
and the Romans crucified him.  Not like Jesus, but upside down.
That really had to hurt.

 LL>>>> I have lived permanently in this country my entire life.
 LL>>>> I am not American.

 DD>>> Do you have voting rights in USA? Wouldn't that make you a
 DD> USAmerican by
 DD>>> nationality?

 LL>> I am Cajun.  Cajuns were here first, before Americans arrived to claim
 LL>> this land as their own.

 DD> The Americans were there before you, but they called themselves other
names
 DD> (Apache etc.) The people you refer to were renegade Brits and other
 DD> Europeans.

The indigenous people in the area were kind enough to allow us to live
in the Swamp.  The Swamp (The Atchafalaya Basin) is the largest swamp in
North America.  Not even renegade Brits and other Europeans wanted to
travel in those parts, much less live there.

 DD>>> The fact that you live in the Americas makes you an American.

 LL>> I am Cajun.  Not American or Cajun American.  I may be a citizen
 LL>> of the United States due to the nature of my birth and the generosity
 LL>> of my benefactors, but that does not mean I am American.

 DD> Americans live in the America's - you are an American by way of regional
 DD> placement, a Cajun by ethnicity.

It was not until the 1980s that the US government officially recognized
Cajuns as an ethnic group.  When I fill out the form for the census I
enter "Cajun" in the race category rather than White or Black etc.

--Lee

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