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Text 17454, 348 rader
Skriven 2014-08-05 03:33:16 av Lee Lofaso (2:203/2)
  Kommentar till text 17449 av TIM RICHARDSON (1:123/140)
Ärende: Nuke the World
======================
Hello Tim,

I used to think sivatr was the best internet troll of all time.
Sivatr's dedication to trolling was so intense that he took actual
pictures of himself eating his own cum in order to shock the
somethingawful.com boards.  I thought nobody, and I mean nobody,
in fidonet or anyplace else could possibly top that.  Until now.

 AK>>>> Maybe, shooting through the child was acceptable in the past, but
 AK>>>> surely it must not be acceptable in the 21st century.


 TR>> Thats probably the very reasoning of the Ayrab raghead terrorists.

Arabs are fighting for two things.  The first thing is survival.
The other thing is for land.  By their lights, they have absolutely
nothing left to lose, so life itself is expendable.  Better to die
a martyr than to continue living a life with no hope.  They view
the land they live in as being their own, a land that is occupied
by what they call "the enemy".

 TR>> I notice the outrage of the world when some child a terrorist is
 TR>> holding in front of them as a shield gets hurt or killed.

The secretary-general of the United Nations is outraged that so
many Palestinian children have been murdered by the ongoing Israeli
operation.  The president of the United States has also stated his
own dismay.

 TR>> I'm appalled at the world's lack of outrage at the terrorist who
 TR>> was using that child as a shield!


 AK>> In some movies, a terrorist puts a gun to a hostage's temple and demands
 AK>> the policeman to lay down his gun on the floor. And the policeman does
 AK>> it, and sometimes he is killed.


 TR> This isn't the movies. This is reality. The reality is, you protect
yourself
 TR> and your brothers-in-arms.

Over 1,800 Palestinian men, women and children have been slaughtered
by Israel in the latest fighting in Gaza.  The entire world is appalled
that so many innocents have died.  How can such non-combatants possibly
protect themselves from such an onslaught of bombs being dropped upon
them by Israeli airplanes?

 AK>> The moral of humans here is simple -- to
 AK>> shoot through a hostage means to be worse than being a terrorist.
 AK>> Probably Israel has another morality.


 TR> Yeah...thats the liberal socialist media's notion of how to `shape'
 TR> everybody's thinking `for' them.

Some forms of murder are better (or worse) than other forms of murder?
Violence begets violence.  More violence begets more violence.

There will never be peace if violence continues to be made, regardless
of which side commits the violence or against whom that violence is
committed.

 AK>> <skipped>
 AK>>> If we weigh it -- making a target from a child is one thing;
 AK>>> killing this child is another. Surely killing of a child
 AK>>> overweights. Well, when humans weigh it.


 TR> That's how Ayrabs like outsiders to think.

Arabs are among the friendliest people in the world.
You just have to get to know them first.  And once you
do, they will love you to death.  In the most literal
of ways.

 TR> My take is; they must have had a reason for wanting that child to die,
 TR> or they wouldn't have used them as a shield from my weapon.

Sending a child straight to Paradise is certainly better than
forcing that child to live a life of poverty and despair ...

 TR> Either way....I am not responsible for that child's death....they are!

You are your brother's keeper.  That is the lesson taught
in all three faiths - Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.

As such, not only are you responsible for that child's death,
we all are.

 TR>> Ayrabs and Jews have been slaughtering each other for thousands of
 TR>> years, Since before the days of the Roman Empire... since before
 TR>> the days of King David, even.


 TR>> And they will continue to kill each other till not a single Jew or
 TR>> Ayrab is left in that part of the world.


 AK>> The problem is not in Israel and Palestinians. The problem is that the
 AK>> source of the current Islamic terrorist movement across the world is
 AK>> located in Palestine.


 TR> And the solution to the problem is in the hands of the Palestinians.

You expect Palestinians to roll over and die?  Not gonna happen.

 TR> And the solution is simple: STOP KILLING JEWS!!!!

While Israel continues to wipe out Palestians and steal their land?
Palestinians will protect themselves, and their property.  Of course,
they would like to do so peacefully, without having to kill anybody.
But the world is a violent place ...

 AK>> 9/11 terror events and the following world havoc,
 AK>> for instance, did not appeared out of thin air -- they were born by very
 AK>> known actions of the Israeli politicians.


 AK>> The problem of
 AK>> Palestinians/Israel fighting is not localized in Palestine. It is like
 AK>> an octopus with its arms. When you put down your pants at the airport
 AK>> checking you should understand that all the world is involved. And all
 AK>> the world needs the ending of this conflict.


 TR> The `ending' to this conflict is easily arrived at. The Ayrab ragheads
 TR> have the solution to the problem already in hand:  STOP KILLING JEWS!!!!!

That's easy.  Let the Jews emigrate to NYC, with Palestinians remaining
in Palestine, and all will be well.

 AK>> Soon the terrorists get
 AK>> atomic bombs, and it will be too late to mend it.


 TR> I have no doubt the raghead Ayrabs will get the materials together
 TR> and set off a nuke somewhere; probably the United States.

Arabs have no desire to nuke any place in the USA.  Why?  Because
Arabs have family here.  And no Arab nukes family.  Don't believe
me?  Move to Detroit.  Lots of Arabs in Detroit.  Very loving Arabs.
Mostly Shi'ite.  Some of whom have a portrait of the Ayatollah
Khomeini hanging on their living room wall.

 TR> I don't think it will be an actual `bomb' but a `dirty' explosive,
probably
 TR> with some desease spoors in it that will let loose something like ebola,
 TR> or cholera, or some such.

You do realise the USA and Russia both have a stash of smallpox ...

 TR> But it is only a matter of time before the ragheads sneak a nuclear
 TR> explosive into some target area and set it off.

I can see Pakistan and India having a go, nuking each other out.
But that is because Muslims and Hindus never could quite get along
together.  I actually got caught in the middle of a small war at
LSU when a Muslim and a Hindu started fighting over a game of chess
that neither of them was playing.  That is how much the two sides
hate each other.

 TR> I've vacationed in my area where U.S. Naval ships berth, with private
 TR> pleasuere craft passing by them in close proximity, and have speculated
 TR> that, with time and patience, a group could get hold of a nuclear
 TR> device, put it in a pleasure boat, blend into the boats that are plying
 TR> around the harbor, and suddenly aim it at an Aircraft Carrier, hit
 TR> the ship and explode on impact, taking a huge part of the city AND
 TR> naval facility with it! Or in a Naval facility up the coast from here.

It is not military ships and naval facilities that should be of utmost
concern, but rather other targets that might not be so obvious - such
as oil refineries and ports, etc.

Consider what would happen if a suitcase nuke was detonated near
Grand Isle, Louisiana.  The area is sparsely populated, but happens
to be located where over 25 percent of our oil supply travels from
the superport offshore to the refineries.  You think four dollars
a gallon is high?  Try fifty or sixty dollars.  If we're lucky.
And if our refineries get wiped out in that corridor between
New Orleans and Baton Rouge?  Get out your bicycle and start
pedalling.

 TR> America is much too vulnerable, and the reaction to the attack on 9\11
 TR> 2001 was all wrong. It should have been devastating! Iran, Libya, and
 TR> the entire Gaza strip should have been in mourning for weeks over the
 TR> dead from American air strikes.

Read "When the Eagle Screams" - written before the events of 9/11.
It is a free download, available at smashwords.com (and elsewhere).

While you are correct in saying "America is much too vulnerable"
- even today over a decade after the events of 9/11 - I must stronly
disagree with you on the matter of making war on the world as a
reaction to that event.

Violence begets violence.  Rather than dropping bombs on an
innocent people in Afghanistan, we should have shown them love
and affection.  They needed food.  They needed water.  They
needed clothing.  And housing.  And many other things we take
for granted here.

We oould have protected them from al-Qaeda.
We could have protected them from the Taliban.

But that is not what we did.  We bombed their cities.  We bombed
their schools.  We bombed their hospitals.  Why?  Because we wanted
to have our revenge.  Of course, not being able to bring Osama bin
Laden justice denied us our revenge.  So we had to take out our
revenge elsewhere by invading Iraq.

We know now that Osama bin Laden was never in Iraq.
He was in Pakistan, watching porno films on dvd.

 TR> There should have not been one single Ayrab left in Jerusalem or Gaza,
 TR> and if they didn't like it...the next time they `faced east and bowed
 TR> to their fuckin' mosque, it would have been a bombed out crater!

And what happens when you run out of of Muslims in Jerusalem and Gaza?
Only 350 million more Arabs to go in Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria ...

 TR> Religion and everything it involves will be the destruction of the world
 TR> yet.

When you run out of Muslims, who are you gonna wipe out next?  Will
it be Hindus?  Buddhists?  Christians?  Jews are so few in number it
probably won't matter, so you can leave them out.

 TR>> And each week that passed without bin Laden being handed over,
 TR>> another cruise missile attack would follow. The Taliban wouldn't
 TR>> have been able to set up a tent to meet in without a missile attack
 TR>> finding them.


 TR>> With almost 4000 Americans and others dead in one single attack, no
 TR>> other justification would be needed.


 AK>> To put it shortly -- the war came to Afghanistan also from Israel. And
 AK>> not only that war. Now everywhere where we see Islamic extremism we must
 AK>> thank Israel. For its illusion that it treats the situation well, under
 AK>> full control.


 TR> I am not now, nor have I ever been a supporter of Israel.

I'm not sure AIPAC would want you ...

 TR> The worst mistake the United States ever made in the 20th century was
 TR> sign onto Israel.

The Jewish lobby (AIPAC) has the money to buy the votes.

 TR> President Harry Truman recognized Israel as `a sovereign nation' in
 TR> the UN in 1948, and there's been no peace in that region since.

Russia also signed on to the UN Partition of Palestine, which called
for the creation of TWO Palestinian states - one for the Jews, and one
for the Arabs.  Both sides (Jews and Arabs) rejected the plan.

 TR> And in the late 50's and throughout the 60's and to the present day, there
 TR> has been one terrorist act after another after another after another.

Terrorism has been with us throughout the world since the dawn of time.
Saying, or suggesting, that only Arabs are terrorists is both silly and
stupid.  Remember Timothy McVeigh?  He was a terrorist.  An American
terrorist.  Blew up 168 men, women and children at a social security
office in Oklahoma City.  All-American guy, raised Catholic, served
in the Army ...

 TR> And the politicians who've held a majority, therefore a `ruling hand'
 TR> over the people of the United States the longest, and have done the
 TR> most to support Israel, thus bringing this terror-fest down on us, is
 TR> the democrats!

Every American president has supported Israel, not just Democrats.
Politicians of both parties in Congress have supported Israel.
In presidential elections, most Jews have favored the Democratic
candidate rather than the Republican candidate.  But the vast
majority of US politicians consider Israel as being our friend,
not our foe.

 TR> Both Israel and their massive supporters in the U.S. congress have beaten
 TR> the American taxpayers over the head with that `holocaust' club for
 TR> almost 70 years now!

It was a genocide, with over 11 million people losing their lives,
6 million of whom were Jews.  That history should never be swept under
the rug.

 TR> And they use that club to justify their continued support for a nation
that
 TR> turns out to be almost no better than the Nazis who tried to eradicate
 TR> them.

"What is a Jew?" - Sigmund Freud

Playing the Jew as victim is an old game, and really discredits
the Jewish people who I consider as being a very brave and courageous
people who have given the world much.

 TR> And for almost 70 years of loyal support and aid to Israel...the US has
 TR> been spied upon by Israel, had high-placed military and technical
 TR> personnel corrupted by Israel, had technological and nuclear secrets
 TR> stolen by Israel, had at least one or two of our naval vessels fired
 TR> upon and destroyed by Israel (with no reaction or consequences in
 TR> return)....and on and on and on!

The USS Liberty was bombed, but not sunk, by Israel.
It was a spy ship, in international waters, bombed on
the day the Israelis began their invasion of the Golan.
Coincidence?  Hardly.  But we forgave them.  And the
world moved on.

 TR> You'd think the civilized  (western) world would have learned by now
 TR> that Israel and the Ayrab ragheads are NEVER going to settle down and
 TR> get along.

There is a saying in Palestine that one day the Arab and the Jew
will get together, shake hands, and make peace.  And on that day
will come the Islamic version of The Last Day / Final Judgement.

Some people actually thought that day had come when Israeli
Prime Minister Rabin and PLO Chairman Yasser Arafat stepped on
to the White House lawn and shook hands, with Bill Clinton
smiling in the background.

Oh, well.  Such stuff are dreams made of ...

 TR> The entire world would do itself a big favor if it took every Jew and
 TR> every Ayrab raghead Islamic, sent them all to the Middle East, and
 TR> let them kill each other without interference.

First we have to sell both sides enough weapons to off themselves with.

 TR> The sooner every Jew and Islamic raghead in the world are dead and gone,
 TR> the sooner World Peace will be achieved.

Other religious groups will quickly take their place.
Whether it be Christians vs. Buddhists or whatever other
groups decide to have at it, as long as man is around
there will be war.

--Lee

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