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Skriven 2014-08-07 17:30:20 av Lee Lofaso (2:203/2)
     Kommentar till en text av Wilfred van Velzen (2:280/464)
Ärende: fidonet.org
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Hello Wilfred,

Wilfred van Velzen -> Lee Lofaso formulated the question :

 LL>> I have used Thom LaCosta's echolist myself, for the same purpose, in
 LL>> regards to the CONSPRCY echo, which was handed to me by the previous
 LL>> moderator, Steve Asher.  After updating the elisting, I repeated the
 LL>> process six months later, and then realized the stupidity of updating
 LL>> my own update, as doing so was totally unnecessary given there was
 LL>> nothing to update.

 LL>> As such, even if the Z1C claims that Thom LaCosta's elist/echolist
 LL>> (or whoever is maintaining it today) is the OFFICIAL ELIST/ECHOLIST
 LL>> OF FIDONET,

 WvV> The current echolist is a mockery. And misused for political
"statements".

Most sysops (and non-sysops) outside of Z1 are already aware of that.
More and more sysops (and non-sysops) in Z1 are also becoming aware of
that, as it is becoming much too obvious to ignore.

 WvV> The following listing is part of the echolist for over a year now:

 WvV> BNL.ALGEMEEN
 WvV>       DISCUSSION ABOUT FLYING BLACK OBJECTS OVER HOLLAND
 WvV>             Dutch v Z1 Conspiracy Theory and other idiotic theories.
 WvV>            The subject of USAG-Schinnen based black drones spying on
 WvV>            Vlist's house is off topic. This is echo is made available
 WvV>            by moderator invitation-only. A Z1 distributed echo Moderator
 WvV>            approval required to access. Netmail the moderator for NAB
 WvV>            link approval. No points allowed.
 WvV>            Status: Active
 WvV>       Origin:       Z1 Master of bovine scatologi     Group: FIDO
 WvV>       Distribution: 1:387/22, Selected NAB and GSB nodes
 WvV>       Gateways:     1:387/10
 WvV>       Language:     American English, No Nede
 WvV>       # Nodes: N/A          Volume: N/A          Rules:
 WvV>       Flags:
 WvV>       Notes: real names only, no Jan Kees Allowed
 WvV>       Moderators:   Roy Witt, 1:387/22
 WvV>       Last changed: 15-Nov-2013 by Roy Witt, 1:387/22

 WvV> This is an obvious fake, just to annoy my region. The echolist keeper
 WvV> allows this. Yet when I elisted the following "area" last year:

I am the one and only legitimate moderator of the CONSPRCY echo.
As such, all discussion about flying black objects over Holland is
clearly on topic.  Even if those flying black objects are fake.
That is my ruling.

The difference between the CONSPRCY echo and the echo noted above
is that it doesn't really matter what name (real or imagined) is used
in the CONSPRCY echo, since everything is a conspiracy anyway.

 WvV> ECHOLIST-IS-A-MOCKER
 WvV>       The echolist is a mockery.
 WvV>             Discussions about the echolist making it self ridiculous,
 WvV>            and invalid, because it accepts obvious fake entries, that
 WvV>            are just created for political reasons and to annoy others.
 WvV>            The fact that this area is accepted proves the point.
 WvV>            Status: Active
 WvV>       Origin:       The twilight zone                 Group: FIDO
 WvV>       Distribution: Selected systems
 WvV>       Gateways:
 WvV>       Language:     English
 WvV>       # Nodes: N/A          Volume: N/A          Rules:
 WvV>       Flags: <Mod Perm Req>
 WvV>       Notes: /MOD
 WvV>       Moderators:   Wilfred van Velzen, 2:280/464
 WvV>       Last changed: 29-Nov-2013 by Wilfred van Velzen, 2:280/464

 WvV> I was asked to stop doing this, and even threatened to be removed from
 WvV> fidonet if I didn't stop updating this "area".

Asked by who?  And by what/whose authority did that individual have?

No private (or public) elist/echolist has any official status
in fidonet.

You and others may have been mislead into believing it was
necessary to elist an echo and continually update that echo
in order to "own" that echo without anybody else able to
relist or list that echo in their name.

And then a fidogod (Ross Cassell) comes along as says he has
the right to remove any echo he wants, or refuse to elist any
echo he wants, regardless of whether a moderator likes it or
not.

What total hogwash!

An echo belongs to the moderator, not some tinhorn fidogod!
And no fidogod has the right to threaten or harrass any individual
in fidonet, whether sysop or non-sysop!

 WvV> So the echolist keeper applies double standards, when it comes to
accepting
 WvV> areas. So he is part of the problem, thus making the the echolist a
 WvV> mockery, that should best be ignored in my opinion.

"I send everything to Ross [Cassell]." - Thom LaCosta, echolist keeper

"Ignore that man behind the curtain." - Dorothy said in the Land of Oz

--Lee

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