Text 17883, 94 rader
Skriven 2014-09-06 00:22:06 av Lee Lofaso (2:203/2)
  Kommentar till text 17879 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: Dealing With Bullies
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Hello Michiel,

 LL>>> Do try to be more specific.

 LL>>> You asked me a question, I gave you an answer.  It may not
 LL>>> have been the answer you wanted, or expected, but I did give
 LL>>> you an answer.

 JD>> I asked you a specific question.

 MvdV> No, you were not specific. You just asked "is it true", without
specifying
 MvdV> the "it". You probably menat to ask "is it true that you are a child
 MvdV> molestor?" But your "it" could as well have the original question that
Ross
 MvdV> asked: "You all know that Lee is a child molester?". That obviously is
not
 MvdV> true; I for one do not know it. Or Janis ststement that the information
is
 MvdV> available. Is that true? I do not know.

None of it is credible, just a bunch of flames by Ross & Co.

 JD>> You chose to answer it with an answer relating to something else.

 MvdV> What did you expect? Lee is quit right to not answer the question I
think
 MvdV> you meant to ask. Had he answered "no" would you have believed him? Or
 MvdV> would you have asked him to prove it?  Ell, maybe you would not, but
some
 MvdV> others surely would. And you know how hard it is to prove a negative.

People really should do their own research before believing
an accusation.  Just because somebody tells you a story does
not make it true.  People lie.  Sometimes on purpose.

 MvdV> Instead of harping ol Lee, you should have asked Ross to come with
proof.

What Joe did and what Joe should have done are two very different
things.  Along with why Joe did what he did as opposed to what Joe
should have done.

 MvdV> Or shut up.

And give tacit approval to what a fidonet sysop has done, or is doing?
Evil flourishes when good men to do nothing.  A bully will continue
bullying others until somebody makes the bully stop.  It's that simple.

 MvdV> Ross is the one making claims, the onus of proof is on him.

Ross' claims are not credible, and are totally unsupported
and unsubstantiated.

 JD>> I'll give you that, but, you should have no read, or write access.

 MvdV> But the fact is that he has read access. You dont like it. I don't like
it,
 MvdV> but he has and it is not his doing.

Would you prefer a lynch mob working in secret rather than in the
open where all can see?  Suppose that lynch mob was making plans to
string you up rather than me?  Would that make a difference?

 JD>> Crossposting items from a private echo, is also not something that is
 JD>> considered acceptable.

 MvdV> Point is that fr¢m his POV, it is not a private echo.

There should be no private echoes allowed in fidonet.  None.

 MvdV> Everyone with InterNet access and a web browser can read it.

As well they should.

 MvdV> That's not Lee's fault and so you should not blame him.

And the thousands upon thousands of others who are also reading
those posts should also not be blamed.  :)

 MvdV> Blame those responsible for the gating.

Who sez gating is going on?

 JD>>>> I asked outright if that statement Ross made was true.

 MvdV> That statement is not true: I do not know Lee is a child molestor.

Do you beat your meat?

--Lee

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