Text 17924, 95 rader
Skriven 2014-09-07 02:16:59 av Lee Lofaso (2:203/2)
  Kommentar till text 17898 av Joe Delahaye (44313.fidonews)
Ärende: Dealing With Bullies
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Hello Joe,

 MV>> Instead of harping ol Lee, you should have asked Ross to MV>come with
 JD> proof.  Or shut up.  Ross is the one making claims, MV>the onus of proof
is
 JD> on him.

 JD> I did make a statement that that was a serious claim, and that if so, it
 JD> should have been made with a reference to a site showing a court decision,
 JD> or similar.

That is not enough.  Not nearly enough.

Ross (and Janis) made a claim(s), totally unsupported and
unsubstantiated.

You have failed as a sysop and a person by not demanding Ross (and
Janis) show evidence to support/substantiate stated claim(s).  Other
sysops are just as guilty, along with those who deliberately chose
to say nothing - thus giving tacit approval of what Ross did/is doing
or attempting to do.  As such, not only does Ross owe me an apology,
but so do you and others (they know who they are).

 JD>>> I'll give you that, but, you should have no read, or write access.

 MV>> But the fact is that he has read access. You dont like it. I don't like
 MV>> it, but he has and it is not his doing.

 JD> No, It is not his doing.  Agreed

You (and a handful of others) seem to have a fixation about a certain
web site that a fidonet sysop maintains, wishing it would go away.  Or
at least a particular echo that folks can take a peek in.  I do not
understand what all the fuss is about, since the echo in question can
be found elsewhere, not just on the web ...

 JD>>> Crossposting items from a private echo, is also not something that
 JD>>> is considered acceptable.

 MV>> Point is that fr¢m his POV, it is not a private echo. Everyone with
 MV>> InterNet access and a web browser can read it. That's not Lee's MV>fault
 JD> and so you should not blame him. Blame those responsible for MV>the
gating.

 JD> Point is that Lee has been around long enough to know that it is indeed a
 JD> private echo.

If you want a private echo, look outside of fidonet.  Create your
own network of friends/lovers/whatever.  The software is available
(mostly free) for that very purpose.  So what is stopping you?
Certainly not me.  Or Björn.  Or Michiel.  Or anybody else.  You
have only yourself to blame for that.

 JD> He is also aware that crossposting is not allowed.

Da Rulz of the FN_SYSOP echo are only for those who participate
in the FN_SYSOP echo.  Regardless of who da moderator happens to
be.  Since I am not a participant in the FN_SYSOP echo, Da Rulz
of the FN_SYSOP echo do not apply to me.  Har! Har!  Eat my shorts!

 JD> He is not a newby.

In order to be a newby, one first has to be a participant.
Since I am not, and never have been, a participant in the FN_SYSOP
echo, the only logical conclusion one can make is I cannot be a newby.
Although I could become one.

 JD> He does it to troll.

Trolling is good.  Catch many shrimp dat way.  Better with net
than with hand.  Slippery little boogers dem shrimp can be when
trying to catch dem by hand ...

 JD>>>>> I asked outright if that statement Ross made was true.

 MV>> That statement is not true: I do not know Lee is a child molestor.

 JD> Nor do I, but my statement IS true.  That is exactly what I asked.

Your question ("Is it true?") was in reference to a statement made
by Janis Kracht that was totally unsupported and unsubstantiated.
And my answer to you was that she did in fact make that statement
in the FN_SYSOP echo.  You did not like the answer I gave you, but
my answer was entirely correct and to the point.

 JD> That he chose to beat around the bush, is not surprising either.

If you want a specific answer, you have to learn how to raise or
ask the question.  Otherwise, you will find yourself in a position
of trying to nail jello to a wall.

--Lee the Dog (with apologies to Diogenes)

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