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Skriven 2014-09-10 03:47:49 av Lee Lofaso (2:203/2)
  Kommentar till text 17959 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: Dealing With Bullies
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Hello Michiel,

 MV>>> Instead of harping ol Lee, you should have asked Ross to come
 MV>>> with proof. Or shut up. Ross is the one making claims, the onus
 MV>>> of proof is on him.

 JD>> I did make a statement that that was a serious claim, and that if so,
 JD>> it should have been made with a reference to a site showing a court
 JD>> decision, or similar.

 MvdV> And since the proof did not come forward, instead of asking Lee, you
should
 MvdV> have applied "presumed innocent until proven guilty".

Ross' claims are without merit, being a total fabrication.

 MV>>> But the fact is that he has read access. You dont like it. I
 MV>>> don't like it, but he has and it is not his doing.

 JD>> No, It is not his doing.  Agreed

 MvdV> And then you can't blame him for responding to accusations made against
him.

Ross wants to hide in an echo where others cannot defend themselves
against false accusations.  I guess that makes him feel like a big man,
that he can say a bunch of lies in secret in order to get folks riled
up against his intended victim.  Kind of like what the leader of a
lynch mob tries to do.

 JD>> Point is that Lee has been around long enough to know that it is
 JD>> indeed a private echo.  He is also aware that crossposting is not
 JD>> allowed.

 MvdV> Lee is a user and not a participant in FN_SYSOP. He is not bound by the
 MvdV> rules of FN_SYSOP (whatever they are).

Some folks are just now coming to that realization.  :)

 JD>> He is not a newby.  He does it to troll.

 MvdV> Perhaps. But if that is the case he should be treated like all the other
 MvdV> trolls. He certainly isn't the only one. I have a twitt filter to deal
with
 MvdV> them.

There are good trolls and there are evil trolls.  I am a good troll.
At least most of the time.  Ross is an evil troll.  Almost all of the
time.  So please.  Choose your trolls wisely.

 JD>>>>>> I asked outright if that statement Ross made was true.

 MV>>> That statement is not true: I do not know Lee is a child
 MV>>> molestor.

 JD>> Nor do I, but my statement IS true.

 MvdV> What statement?

Joe has not been able to find any evidence to support or substantiate
Ross' claims.  Nobody else has, either.

 JD>> That is exactly what I asked. That he chose to beat around the bush,
 JD>> is not surprising either.

 MvdV> As the old chinese saying goes: You can ask but you do not always get an
 MvdV> answer.

And if you do, it may not be the answer you want or expect.

 MvdV> How would you feel if I asked you that it is true that you are a child
 MvdV> molestor?

It wouldn't bother me one bit.  But it bothered Joe a great deal
when I gave him a "I neither did nor do I now" type of response.

 MvdV> Oh, come on Joe, it is obvious that Ross has an axe to grind with Lee.
And
 MvdV> since he is unable to get him banned, he is trying to demonise him. He
did
 MvdV> the same with Wayne Chirnside. In that case with succes unfortunately.

Not to worry.  The clinical psychologist has completed his study and
moved on to other things - such as nuclear waste management.

The two pictures (mug shots) posted online are stock photos and not
really the person you think it is.  The address he used for so many
years is an empty lot.  And Wayne Chirnside is not his real name.

--Lee

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