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Skriven 2012-08-02 23:46:31 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
     Kommentar till en text av Roy Witt (1:387/22)
Ärende: daja vu
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Hello Roy,

On Wednesday August 01 2012 09:51, you wrote to me:

 RW>>> Having said that, none of them have stated that they wouldn't
 RW>>> support a publication that was edited by a Z2 sysop.

 MvdV>> Ever so often the motives given are not the true motives.
 MvdV>> Especially when the true motives are politically incorrect.

 RW> Had you archived the echo contents for the past ten years as I have,

I don't keep echomail archives.

 MvdV>> You may be too close to the trees to see the forest, but seen
 MvdV>> from the outside it is pretty obvious that Americans have
 MvdV>> problems with non-Americans at the helm.

 RW> Seeing as how non-Americans need somebody to hold their hands or lead
 RW> them out of situations that a calm person would have no problem with.
 RW> Y'all need to take the back seat in many things and leave the driving
 RW> to the competent.

That is the kind of patronising that is the cause of so much bad blood bewteen
Anericans and the rest of the world.

 RW> Not saying that you're one of those who's incompetent. You're smart
 RW> enough, just too stubbornly stuck in your own rut for your own good.

Patronising...

 MvdV>> They will only allow that if it is one of their puppets or if
 MvdV>> the position is a paper tiger.

 RW> I'm nobody's puppet and you know I'm not a paper tiger.

I did not say you are.

 RW>  Lest you forget, I'm the one who got tired of the NAB filtering of Z2
 RW> and sought out my own feed for this echo and publically offered a
 RW> non-filtered feed to anyone who wanted one.

I haven't forgotten that. yes you did your part in breaking the blockade. I
haven't forgotten.

 RW> Yet, I'm not treated by Janis any differently than she treats her
 RW> RCs, her closest friends and/or NAB companions.

Your point?

 RW> BTW, had she listened to my input, Dossche wouldn't have gotten access
 RW> to the Z1C echo, period.

If Ward had listened to me, Janis and Ross would not have gotten access to
ENET.SYSOP...

 RW> I knew that all he'd do is take what he read there and use it against
 RW> Z1. He certainly lived up to my expectations in that regard.

Same for ENET.SYSOP and Janis and Ross.

It just goes to show tha Janis does not always listen to you and Ward does not
always listen to me.


 MvdV>> If there really was no objection against someone from Z2, why
 MvdV>> did Janis appoint someone from Z1?

 RW> She asked for volunteers after the former editor retired

She asked in a Z1 only echo. So naturally no one from other zones came forward.

 MvdV>> She could have appointed someone from Z1 just to show that
 MvdV>> /that/ is not the problem.

 RW> You mean Z2?

Yes, typo. Sorry.

 RW> No one offered to ask for a Z2 editor, since you and Ward

I'd have declined. I have enough hats as it is.

 RW> are too influential with Bjorn as editor and there doesn't seem to be
 RW> any 'neutral' Z2 sysops speaking up for Z2; even the 'wall flower's
 RW> here  bash Z1 when they feel that it's safe to come out hiding...(take
 RW> net 1:292's NCs outburst for instance)

Funny... There is always something that sounds reasonable, but the bottom line
is always that it shoud not be someone from Z2...

 MvdV>> But.. the Z1 edition of Fidonews ended up with a Z1 editor.

 RW> As we've seen in the past, there have been successful editors of the
 RW> publication who weren't Z1 nodes. An Australian, a South African

A racist.

 RW>  and one who isn't as popular from Z2. If he, like you would have
 RW> refrained from bashing the US in every message he posted here, he
 RW> might have had been accepted.

Just an excuse..

 MvdV>> Remenber what happened with the echolist?. The predecessor of
 MvdV>> Thom Lacosta (forgot his name) gave his datbase

 RW> Problem was that Witschi never showed his face in the Moderator echo

Excuses, ad hoc explanations atc, etc. Bottom line is always that it must be
someone from Z1...

Cheers, Michiel

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