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Skriven 2012-08-03 09:32:56 av Roy Witt (1:387/22)
   Kommentar till text 1880 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: daja vu
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03 Aug 12 22:29, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Roy Witt:

 RW>> The facts bear out the truth in this case.

 MvdV> And another patronising remark.

I can't help to note what history has taught us.

 RW>>>> Not saying that you're one of those who's incompetent. You're
 RW>>>> smart enough, just too stubbornly stuck in your own rut for your
 RW>>>> own good.

 MvdV>>> Patronising...

 RW>> Critical observation...

 MvdV> Patronising.

observation.

 RW>>>> BTW, had she listened to my input, Dossche wouldn't have gotten
 RW>>>> access to the Z1C echo, period.

 MvdV>>> If Ward had listened to me, Janis and Ross would not have
 MvdV>>> gotten access to ENET.SYSOP...

 RW>> Heh...no one needs permission to access ENET.SYSOP,

 MvdV> If ward had listened to me, it would not be. It would be Z2 only.
 MvdV> Period.

LOL! My access to it is given by a Z2 system. Like Ward has said, anybody
can be fed an echo if that feed is to a point. No seen-bys, no paths.

 RW>> Z1C isn't as easy to get access to, as the echo is considered Z1
 RW>> only and at least no Z1 sysop aware of that will make it available.

 MvdV> If Ward had listened to me the status of ENET.SYSOP would be the
 MvdV> same. Mayne Ward wil listen to me when he returns from Montana.

If he's that hard up for entertainment, maybe he'll get a link to it with
his new listing in 140.

 RW>>>> I knew that all he'd do is take what he read there and use it
 RW>>>> against Z1. He certainly lived up to my expectations in that
 RW>>>> regard.

 MvdV>>> Same for ENET.SYSOP and Janis and Ross.

 RW>> I've been following along in that echo and see nothing there that
 RW>> hasn't appeared elsewhere that has public access.

 MvdV> That is not what I meant. What I meant was that Janis and Ross use
 MvdV> what they read in Z2 echos against us.

And how is that any different than Ward using what he's read in Z1C?

Is that 'tit for tat' or 'tat for tit' ?

 MvdV>>> It just goes to show tha Janis does not always listen to you
 MvdV>>> and Ward does not always listen to me.

 RW>> Proving that she (and Ross) aren't puppets?

 MvdV> I never claimed they are.

 MvdV>>>>> If there really was no objection against someone from Z2, why
 MvdV>>>>> did Janis appoint someone from Z1?

 RW>>>> She asked for volunteers after the former editor retired

 MvdV>>> She asked in a Z1 only echo. So naturally no one from other
 MvdV>>> zones came forward.

 RW>> You can't get access to her Fido_Gazette echo?

 MvdV> I can, but I am not interested in that local met too thing.

The question was asked there as well. It is not a Z1 only echo.

 MvdV>>> Funny... There is always something that sounds reasonable, but
 MvdV>>> the bottom line is always that it shoud not be someone from
 MvdV>>> Z2...

 RW>> Apparently all of the Z2 nodes who would sound reasonable must be
 RW>> hiding in the wall paper.

 MvdV> Or your definition of reasonable includes "not from Z2"

I find a lot of reasonable people there. Three or four are the exception
to the rule.

 RW>>>> As we've seen in the past, there have been successful editors of
 RW>>>> the publication who weren't Z1 nodes. An Australian, a South
 RW>>>> African

 MvdV>>> A racist.

 RW>> Nothing wrong with being a racist, as long as that doesn't reflect
 RW>> in the task at hand.

 MvdV> Why is hating the USA a problem and hating blacks not a problem

There is no difference, as long as one can distinguish between being
silent about some matters and constantly voicing an opinion to the point
that the subject becomes insulting...

 MvdV> when both do not reflect in the task at hand?

 RW>>  We have a fine example of a 'USA Hater' as our Fidonews editor now.

 MvdV> Why is hating the USA a problem and hating blacks not a problem
 MvdV> when both do not reflect in the task at hand?

See above.

 RW>>>> and one who isn't as popular from Z2. If he, like you would
 RW>>>> have refrained from bashing the US in every message he posted
 RW>>>> here, he might have had been accepted.

 MvdV>>> Just an excuse..

 RW>> As good an excuse as any to disapprove all bashers.

 MvdV> So why not disapprove of black bashers?

Is Lee Lofaso not a black basher? You have not disapproved his bashing?

 MvdV>>>>> Remenber what happened with the echolist?. The predecessor of
 MvdV>>>>> Thom Lacosta (forgot his name) gave his datbase

 RW>>>> Problem was that Witschi never showed his face in the Moderator
 RW>>>> echo

 MvdV>>> Excuses, ad hoc explanations atc, etc. Bottom line is always
 MvdV>>> that it must be someone from Z1...

 RW>> Wrong again. If he had appeared to be at least interested, he might
 RW>> still be the echolist keeper today. Adrian's system worked well and
 RW>> there was never a complaint about his echolisting abilities. If
 RW>> Witschi showed any interest at all, he may have been the only one
 RW>> applying for the job.

 MvdV> Excuses, excuses excuses. Peter Witschi was doing a fine job in
 MvdV> maintaining the list.

I never saw him write or do anything to prove that...

 MvdV> Nowhere does it say that participation in the moderator echo is a
 MvdV> requirement. That is just an excuse you made up to discredit him.

Common sense would dictate that if one wants to do the job, he would go
out of his way to make himself known. I never heard of him before Adrian
told us that he was leaving and this total stranger was going to take over
his list. OK, so where is this total stranger and what are his
credentials?

Witsci was a NO SHOW!

                R\%/itt

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