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Skriven 2014-11-09 20:22:44 av Lee Lofaso (2:203/2)
  Kommentar till text 19166 av Ward Dossche (2:292/854)
Ärende: Life Under the Democr
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Hello Ward,

 BF>> And the Antarctic ice sheet is *at* *least* ten times more -- that's
 BF>> the amount that has been surveyed, but there are probably vast areas that
 BF>> are much thicker than we know.

 BF>> That's 100 times more. Around 70m higher sea level. Oh yes, Ward, now,
 BF>> including the 7m from Greenland, Brussels is 21m below sea level...  8-)

 WD> I'm with the non-believers.

 WD> It is my opinion that science to a great extent has no clue what is under
 WD> the Greenlandic nor Antarctic ice. The word "surveyed" is used ... but to
 WD> what extent?

A great civilization that once existed could be buried under
all that ice.  Perhaps the civilization that existed in Greenland
before it became covered with ice was highly advanced, even moreso
than our own.  Vikings tried to make the place their new home.
Africans treid to do so long before Vikings had ever arrived.
We just do not know what kind of civilization Greenland once
may have had.  Or rather did have, as every square inch of
this planet has been occupied and fought over since man has
been around.

 WD> The surveys mostly were not with a scientific background, but by oil- and
 WD> gasexploring companies who were looking for mineral riches, not for the
 WD> final answer to the issue of global warming (which I am not disputing).

 WD> What is the mass of the Greenlandic ice-sheet? It simply is unknown as it
 WD> varies so much.

 WD> The story of the "Lost Squadron" who crash landed on the Greenland ice
 WD> shelf in July 1942 is remarkable. 2 B17s and I think 5 Lockheed P38s ran
 WD> out of fuel and crashlanded. All survived, were rescued and the planes
 WD> abandoned.

 WD> Decades after the incident sometimes the planes were visible for passing
 WD> commercial airlines, sometimes not. Several expeditions were set-up to
 WD> recover a B17 and they all failed. Finally, in 1992 a crew managed to
 WD> locate the exact site and melt a shaft down, some 60 meters and recovered
a
 WD> P38 which was restored back to flying conditions (at a ridiculous high
 WD> price).

 WD> Now 10 years before, the planes were under about 15 meters of ice, when
 WD> that P38 was recovered it was some 60 meter and a recent expedition
 WD> discovered the depth now is 35m.

 WD> Your presumption is that the thickness of the ice is a constant with an
 WD> even distribution and linear growth over the years. Well, there is not a
 WD> constant, there is not an even distribution and there certainly is nothing
 WD> linear about it at all.

 WD> Truth of the matter is that other than historic drill holes from
 WD> prospecting companies, there is very little information of what lies under
 WD> the ice. That ice sheet, in both cases could be dramatically thinner than
 WD> presumed.

 WD> I have flown dozens of time over Greenland so far. Yes, in a commercial
 WD> airliner, but nevertheless. When crossing into Greenland you are
 WD> immediately welcomed by unending mountain ranges, then comes the ice. The
 WD> whole of Greenland consists of mountain ranges under the ice, we just
don't
 WD> know how high these mountain ranges are nor where they reach. As a
 WD> consequence, we have no clue about the ice shelf ... it's just
 WD> extrapolation of "not enough data".

 WD> Someone once told me ... "we do not need to be worried about the Greenland
 WD> nor Antarctic ice melting. It is a far greater worry what would happen if
 WD> the permafrost melts." ... I think there's a lot of truth in that as well.

 WD> And I repeat ... yes, there is global warming.

 WD> Here are some views of Greenland, just for fun. I spent about an hour
 WD> watching that incredible sight until my eyes hurt. Very uncommon to have
 WD> that view there:

 WD> http://tinyurl.com/gnl-2013

Wow.  But I doubt you have ever had the same experience
as Admiral Byrd, who claimed to have visited a hollow earth.
It's too bad he did not have a camera or video on hand to
record his visit.

--Lee

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