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Skriven 2015-01-31 19:13:00 av TIM RICHARDSON (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av DALE SHIPP
Ärende: Re: Assumptive questions
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On 01-31-15, DALE SHIPP said to TIM RICHARDSON:

-=> On 01-30-15  08:46,  Tim Richardson <=-
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DS>I have had about as much of this as I can take.  One response, and one
DS>response only.


TR> But....so far neither you nor anyone else in here has just given some
TR> real, informative answers to a couple of simple questions.


DS>You are not asking "simple questions".  You are making accusatory
DS>assertions without any proof that the accusations have any basis in real
DS>fact.


I have the e-mail traffic between Phil Jones, Mann (of `hockey-stick graph
fame), and many other so-called `climate experts'


Much of the e-mail traffic show they are attempting to conceal data on
their subject, which by the way is a subject that has much of the world
pouring taxpayer money into something that those who run the `studies', write
the `reports'....etc etc, are trying hard to conceal much of the data and
pertinent discussions about.


And yeah.....I'm asking "simple questions". Here's one now:


Why conceal the data and message traffic on the subject if there's nothing to
hide?


Many of these same scientists openly discuss the fact that the science is
not all that certain...and does not work at all without manipulating
much of the data to show what they `need' it to show for it to work.


TR> If `global warming' is so real....why try to hide e-mails on the
TR> subject from the very taxpayers who are paying for the research to be
TR> done?


DS>How, when, where and by whom did this happen?


Back in 2014 when the UN IPCC report was about to come out, it was first seen
by `political' leaders of western nations.


A copy of a United Nations report showed leaders of Belgium, Germany,
the United States and Hungary raising objections to the final draft
of the UN's report.


Those leaders were urging scientists working on that final report to cover up
the fact that the Earth hadn't `warmed' in 15 or more years! They were worried
that, when they grabbed money for `green energy' subsidies...or put heavy
restrictions on oil developement...or poured more money into `climate
research'....they'd get a strong feed-back against it


Phil Jones, in one e-mail, states that: "I've been told that IPCC is above
national FOI (freedom of information) acts. One way to cover yourself and
those working in AR5 would be to delete all e-mails at the end of the
process."


*Delete* e-mails? `Hiding information' from FOI acts? Why? Why hide anything
if its all so real? Why `delete' e-mail traffic on the subject of its all
so genuine?


TR> If its all so genuine....why speak of hiding material on it from
TR> FOIA's?


DS>How, when, where and by whom did this happen?


Phil Jones to Mike Mann (the `hockey puck' ..er..I mean `graph' guy):


"Mike, can you delete any e-mails you may have had with Keith [Briffa] re AR4
(IPCC's climate change 4th assessment report)? Keith will do likewise. We will
be getting Caspar [Amman] to do likewise. ....."


`Delete e-mails'? Why? If its all so real you'd think they'd want all
information and pertinent sata out there for all to see.


Let me explain a little bit about `scientific procedures' in regard to coming
up with `theories'.expounding on them with `known' and `proven' facts;


A scientist comes up with a new theory. they publish it completely. All the
mathematics used to support it (if any)....what physics apply to
it...whatever.


Other scientists try to pick it apart. And so it goes.


Nobody `conceals' anything. Or tries to falsify or alter data to make it
`work'. It either `works' or it doesn't.


`Global warming' is falling apart.


And you guys can't answer a couple of simple questions:


If its all so real....why hide or alter data?


And don't come off with this `who did?....when?....what altered data?...
what e-mails...' crapola...


Because its all out there in `internet-land'. If *I* can find it...I
know good and well *you* can!


So....either answer a few simple questions....or admit you're as stymied as
the rest of them are.










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