Text 25735, 120 rader
Skriven 2015-06-20 12:21:00 av Bill McGarrity (17927.2fidonews)
  Kommentar till text 25728 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: Re: That old Nazi thingy once again
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-=> On 06-20-15 11:32, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Bill McGarrity <=-

Hiya Michiel...

 MvV> On Friday June 19 2015 11:17, you wrote to me:

 BM> OK, then we are in agreement.

 MvV> Good.

 MvV>> I stand by what I wrote. The German soldiers that roamed the
 MvV>> streets of The Netherlands should not be called rapists, because
 MvV>> they were not. No matter what their superiors did elsewhere.

 BM> Picking and choosing the terminology is really not up to anyone.  If
 BM> one rape happened, then there is a stigma that will follow all.

 MvV> By that line of reasoning we are all rapists, child molesters and
 MvV> murderers. Eevery man or women on this planet is a citizen of a country
 MvV> and all countries have rapists, child molesteres and murderers.

In some cases it's appropriate. Let's all go back a few years to our youth. 
Party going on, alcohol involved, one girl you really like and she seems to
have interest in you. She's tipped one too many and you, well, you're a young
man.  Need I say more about your intentions.  Being she's not of sound mind
without the ability to say no constitute a form of rape? 

 BM>   It's human nature.

 MvV> Not mine

You think too highly of yourself... rememeber.. glass houses.

 BM>> But water under the bridge...

 MvV>> I wish it were. But every once in a while somene in Fidonet has
 MvV>> to dig it up again. Bill I am sick and tired of this
 MvV>> regurgurating WWII stuff. I have been sick and tired of it for
 MvV> [..]
 MvV>> it. I don't want to hear it any more. I am sick and tired of it.
 MvV>> It is history, leave it to the historians!

 BM> Michiel, well put but please, reread your statement and take it ahead
 BM> 50 years. No one denies the issues that occured between the two zones.
 BM> It happened. Those who were involved in it are now gone.

 MvV> The difference with WWII is that the issues between the zones are not
 MvV> history. It is ongoing. The Germans have learned their lesson. They no
 MvV> longer want to concer the world and eradicate the jews. That is
 MvV> history. Not so with Fidonet.

 BM> Those of us who really weren't involved in it still hear it today and
 BM> yes, like WWII in your mind, some of us feel the same way when it
 BM> comes to the zone war.  It happened, it's done,

 MvV> No, it isn't, it is ongoing. Yes the people that rammed P4 down our
 MvV> throat are gone. That part is history. But you guys across the pond are
 MvV> still trying to impose your rules and morals on the rest of the world.

And, in my world in order for a confrontation to grow, two sides need to be
aggresively spearheading it. 

 MvV> Inside and outside of Fidonet. The Fidonews coup happened four years
 MvV> ago, but is is not history. It is ongoing. We still see a Z1 version of
 MvV> Fidonews hatched every week.

Did the party involved in that apologize?  Did a different form of
transporatation come about because of it?  And does it really matter what a
digital *newsletter?* is posted?  Who cares!  Both issues have different
information so I enjoy reading both?  

 BM> people expressed regret and apologized

 MvV> Roy Witt never expressed regrets and he never apologised. And you (the
 MvV> powers that be in Z1) let him go ahead with his insults and Euro
 MvV> bashing. The only reason he stopped is because he died. And now others
 MvV> take over.

Tell me words aren't being thrown from both sides?

 BM>  yet it still continues almost on a daily basis,

 MvV> Apologising is no good if the wrong that is aplogised for, continues in
 MvV> anothe flavour.

You're speaking of a digital newsletter and an arguement over moderator?  Most
people here are in their 60's to 70's.  Fuck, we're all old hippies for
Christ's sake.  Let's act like it! Stop the bullshit...

 BM> even you throwing in your two cents. Everyone has skeletons and no one
 BM> lives in a glass house.  Digging up the past seems to be the
 BM> international pastime here.

 MvV> What is happening in Fidonet is not the past, it is ongoing.

Because we're allowing it.... ALL zones.

 BM> How about we agree and make WWII and the past Fido issues dead and
 BM> buried.

 MvV> What about the PRESENT Fido issues?

How about we roll it up and smoke it... ;)


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