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Skriven 2015-09-04 15:59:10 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
     Kommentar till en text av Janis Kracht (1:261/38.0)
Ärende: Z1C
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Hello Janis,

On Thursday September 03 2015 12:19, you wrote to me:

 >> Well.. she was awfully quick to kick him out of the nodelist when he
 >> was the victim of a forest fire. No "he will be back" then...

 JK> Like I said .. though don't forget she lived there, and probably knew
 JK> the services could take a long time to be restored.

The proper way to list a node that is temporay down for an unspecified time is
to list it as "Hold". But she kicked him out completely.

 JK>   Just guessing there.

Obviously.

 >>> As a matter of fact, she on occasion sent me Roy's "current" ip
 >>> address because he was known to switch now and then.

 >> I don't see the link with how she handled the PC.

 JK> She was fair and looked at situations objectively.

What does it have to do with Roy changing IP addresses. The proper way to deal
with that is to see that the nodelist contains the correct information for
making a connection.

 >> The bottom line still is that despite the fact that
 >> she did not like Roy, she ruled in his favour. Just as Matt said
 >> would happen.

 JK> Brenda, I and the other members of the ZCC did not have a reason to
 JK> "back Roy".  We looked at the case on it's technical merits.

No you didn't. Allowing or disallowing someone to password out others is not a
technical issue, but a political one.

 >> And _you_ didn't take all that long. You did not carefully consider.

 JK> I read all there was to read about the "case", and replied.  I didn't
 JK> have to consider much.

Because your mind was already made up. "Ridiculous" you said.

 >> had a personal interest in the outcome. You said you had passworded
 >> out unwelcome systems yourself. You made no secret of it that had
 >> the ruling been in my favour, you'd consider that a restriction on
 >> the operation of your own way of doing things. How can one expect a
 >> fair and unbiased ruling if the judge has a personal interest in the
 >> outcome?

 JK> IIRC, Roy's system at the time was a Pvt system.

No, it was a RIN.

 JK> Brenda and I didn't find his locking you out a technical error.

Indeed, it is not a technical error. It is a political decision.

 JK> Both Brenda and I recognized that if a system could not lock another
 JK> system out of his/her mailer when netmail could be routed to a system,
 JK> then every system would always have to accept mail from every other
 JK> syste in Fidonet when that system had "no reason" to have to connect.

Fidonet was designed as a peer to peer system. The idea was indeed that every
system could connect to every other system. One does not need a "reason" to
connect. The presence in the nodelist is an open invitation to connect. When
one does not wish to accept mail from others, one should not be in the
nodelist.

This goes even more for a RIN for which there is no default routing.

Roy passworded me out to annoy me. You set a dangerous precedent by allowing
such behaviour.

 >> We all know how that went with you waking comatose ZCs to vote
 >> without having clue what it was all about.

 JK> No, they understood exactly what was involved in that case as you
 JK> could tell from their responses.

What responses? All I ever saw from Bin Li was a single message with the
content "Hello Ward Dossche". We only have your word for it that there was
more. All attempts by anyone in Z2 to contact Bin Li without you as an
intermediairy failed.

Sorry Janis, your claim that Bin Li understood what it was all about and made
an independent judgement of the situation has no credibility.


Cheers, Michiel

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