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Skriven 2015-12-24 16:43:14 av mark lewis (1:3634/12.73)
  Kommentar till text 29504 av David Drummond (3:640/305)
Ärende: Rules of Echomail
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24 Dec 15 13:07, you wrote to me:

 DD>>> That because so much untruth/urban myth is spouted here

 ml>> much of it comes from you...

 DD> You are the one making claims that you cannot support.

you can stop looking in the mirror any time now ;)

 ml>> that fails the cooperative aspect of the network... it will cause
 ml>> problems (just as lee is attempting to do) and there will be
 ml>> repercussions of some kind...

 DD> Such as? Do you think that you are some sort of almighty enforcer? You
 DD> can do nothing.

i didn't say anything about me doing anything about the problem... i may,
however, join in on whatever method may be chosen to deny lee's hijacking
attempt...

 DD>>> Or any one of a millions other things.

 ml>> again, go back to that cooperative anarchy definition...

 DD> If one doesn't cooperate with the "moderator" there is nothing he can
 DD> do. Gone are the days of threatening people with feed cuts.

yes and so you have turned fidonet's echos into the equivelent of the alt.*
news hierarchy... i hope you are happy with yourself for ruining the good thing
we have had all these years... the good thing that enabled you to post your
missives and stir the shit that you have... i hope that you are happy that you
may very well have caused the total loss of free and open public echomail in
fidonet...

 DD>>> Moderators have no documented "policy/rule/law" to authorise their
 DD>>> existence - they have no documented authority to enact and try to
 DD>>> enforce laws in the echoes.

 ml>> there is nothing anywhere denying that authorization, enactment or
 ml>> enforcement, either...

 DD> Other than the refusal of people to obey. Once they refuse there is
 DD> not one thing the "moderator" can do.

there's more that can be done than you are apparently aware of... feed cuts not
withstanding but they may still be possible...

 DD>>> The users have no documented obligation to heed them.

 ml>> then there will be repercussions when they violate those rules...

 DD> ROFL - what sort of repercussions? What do you think gives you the
 DD> right to "repercuss"? People can just tell you to go fuck yourself.
 DD> You have no authority, no power.

eg: i can easily add your system to my seenbys and you won't see any posts that
originate or get routed through my system... now let's get more systems to do
the same thing and you end up in an empty echo arguing with yourself...

 DD>>> Fidonet moderators are squatters! Toothless paper tigers!

 ml>> look who is talking... you squat and you certainly are a toothless
 ml>> paper tiger carrying on about nothing you can change...

 DD> I have changed something. Already others have come to realise that
 DD> moderators are nobodies - with no official status they can just be
 DD> ignored.

you haven't changed a damed thing! everyone has known this since yonks! at best
all you have done is to spur others to not cooperate thereby breaking the
network and it's operation... policy certainly has something to say about the
good of the network and your actions are certainly /not/ good for the
network... well, maybe if you see echomail as a troublesome entity for the
network but you've also been a huge part of causing that trouble, too...

)\/(ark

"So let me ask you a question about this brave new world of yours. When you've
killed all the bad guys, and when it's all perfect, and just and fair, and when
you have finally got it exactly the way you want it, what are you going to do
with the people like you? The trouble makers. How are you going to protect your
glorious revolution from the next one?" - The twelfth Doctor

... There MUST be a way to cram more violence into 90 minutes. - Calvin
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