Text 29890, 70 rader
Skriven 2015-12-29 17:50:11 av David Drummond (3:640/305)
  Kommentar till text 29883 av Lee Lofaso (2:203/2)
Ärende: Rules of Echomail
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On 29/12/2015 3:13 PM, Lee Lofaso -> David Drummond wrote:

 DD>> As proved by what evidence? Again I ask, who is my god?

 LL> One must doubt to believe.

I have no doubt that I do not believe in the existence or authority of any
deity.

 LL> What I mean by this is that faith is not dependent on evidence.

I have no faith in any deity.

 LL> An individual can believe in something without having any evidence
 LL> to support the existence of whatever it is that he/she believes in.

Faith is believing in something even when there is no evidence to support it.
One has to undergo some brain washing/indoctrination to be able to believe -
well, any thinking person.

As with Michiel, I am not strong in the believing arena.

Actually - I'm mistaken again. I believe I'll have a beer.... Of course, that
requires no faith, I have seen the evidence of the bottle in my refrigerator. I
guess that means I don't "believe" I'll have a beer, I "know" I'll have that
beer.

 LL> Christopher Columbus convinced a rich patron to believe in him.

He indoctrinated/brainwashed that patron (also called "conned" by some).

 LL> Columbus convinced a handful of men to believe in him.
 LL> Whether he succeeded or failed in his mission is not the issue.

Columbus produced evidence - no faith was then required.
[...]
 DD>> I haven't pledged anything since I was a junior boy scout - (in a
different
 DD>> country).

 LL> You carry coins and/or currency in your pockets.  Making payment
 LL> with those coins and/or currency is a type of pledge.

Hardly - once I've handed them over that is the end of my obligation. No verbal
mantra involved either.
[...]
 DD>> Idol worshipper!

 LL> We are all idol worshippers.  Just look at the faces on those
 LL> coins and currency.  Graven images!  Idol worship!

I do not worship the coins I carry.
[...]
 DD>> How often do you make this pledge? I understood that only school kids had
 DD>> this inflicted on them each school day...

 LL> We inflict ourselves with this pledge at the beginning of
 LL> every public meeting we attend.  I think it is the law.

No wonder you're all so confused...

Oh, and this beer is very nice....

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regards
David

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