Text 29949, 76 rader
Skriven 2015-12-29 15:15:40 av mark lewis (1:3634/12.73)
  Kommentar till text 29914 av Torbjorn Mohn (2:211/37)
Ärende: Rules of Echomail
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29 Dec 15 17:51, you wrote to me:

 >>> Cards with no chip and magnetic stripe only does NOT existe here in
 >>> Norway any more. Contrary to what mark tells us is the case in the US.

 >> where have i said that?

 TM> You said it in a message to David on December 25:

i never said /all/ or /every/ did i?

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 TM> Are these not your words? They appear to be here on my system?

they are mine...

 TM> I know It's probably wrong, but I'll let YOU to tell me you were
 TM> wrong. :-)

i wasn't wrong... i may not have been pedantically accurate, though...

 >> and which chip are you speaking of? there's two types... the ones with
 >> contact pads and the RFID ones...

 TM> Here we do NOT call passive devices "chip". When the word CHIP is used
 TM> here, it's ALWAYS in the meaning of the contact one. I know, your are
 TM> now going to tell me that we are wrong here in Europe, and that your
 TM> perception is the only correct one. So be it... I see it from my POV.
 TM> At least now you know for sure what I mean when I'm talking about the
 TM> chip on cards here.

if it is a manufactured chunk of silicone wafer that stores data (memory) or
performs some function with that data (computer) or transmits/receives data
(radio, physical interface contact), it is a chip...

http://endtimestruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/RFID-chip-and-antenna-3.png

that's just one example but the chip is plainly visible... if you have a card
with contacts as well as RFID, then it may have two separate chips... it could
easily have just one chip that handles both methods of communication...

 >> contact pad ones still have to be inserted into a reader... that reader
 >> may very well take the whole card and could thus also read a mag strip
 >> or have a mag strip skimmer applied to it where the mag strip could be
 >> read twice...

 TM> Only part of the card is incerted in the terminals here when the chip
 TM> is being read. The NFC part cannot be read from a standard chip
 TM> terminal here.

like i said, /some/... some readers you only insert part of the card... others
you insert the entire card...

 >> those contact chip cards? they've been used for years in satellite tv
 >> boxes ;)

 TM> Sure, and they are hard to copy (may be not the type being used for
 TM> Sattelite TV though). The ones they use today is (almost?) impossible
 TM> to clone.

i expect that once you have access to the data, it could be written to another
chip in another card... they're little more than flash ram like the BIOS chip
in your computers ;)

)\/(ark

"So let me ask you a question about this brave new world of yours. When you've
killed all the bad guys, and when it's all perfect, and just and fair, and when
you have finally got it exactly the way you want it, what are you going to do
with the people like you? The trouble makers. How are you going to protect your
glorious revolution from the next one?" - The twelfth Doctor

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