Text 31804, 52 rader
Skriven 2016-03-12 17:34:33 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
  Kommentar till text 31800 av Dale Shipp (1:261/1466.0)
Ärende: What kind of nonsens
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Hello Dale,

On Saturday March 12 2016 03:39, you wrote to me:

 DS>  MVDV> Sysops of Pvt nodes do not run a fully fledged system. Pvt

 DS> Balderdash.  I have more users on my system than you do on yours.

You do not know how many users I have on my systen and I have no way to verify
how many you have. So you make an unverifiable claim. It is irrelevant anyway,
the non fully fledgedness of your system has nothing to do with the number of
users. It has to do with the interface to the network.

 MVDV>> nodes can not be directly contacted. Just like point
 MVDV>> systems, they can only be reached via the system of the
 MVDV>> level above them. Their host or their boss node.

 DS> So what?

Your system's interface to the network is flawed. It is one way only. Your
system is like a telephone that can only make outgoing calls. You can call all
others, but they can not call you.

Obviously the network can not function with Pvt nodes only.Pvt nodes ride piggy
back with the fully fledged nodes that can acceptincoming connections from
others. Sysops of Pvt noded want the benefits of membership but refuse to
accept part of the liabilities.

 MVDV>> There is no way for others to verify that a Pvt node actually
 MVDV>> exists as an  autonomous independant Fidonet system. For all I
 MVDV>> know you could just be a user on the system of your uplink.

 DS> The verification is done by the NC that puts them into the nodelist.
 DS> No other verification is needed.

Unfortunately NCs have violated the trust and they were caught stuffing the
nodelist with fake Pvt entries with the intent of casting extra votes in
elections. Hence the "sysops of Pvt nodes may not vote" rule.

 DS> This is just another case of your interpreting things to suit your
 DS> own prejudices.

I am not the only one that considers Pvt nodes not fully fledged systems.
Remember the uproar from sysops of IP only nodes that were listed as Pvt,
because the old MakeNl required a telephone number in field six and
-Unpublished- was not yet decoupled from Pvt?


Cheers, Michiel

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