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Skriven 2012-09-01 09:36:54 av Robert Bashe (2:2448/44)
   Kommentar till text 3224 av Dale Shipp (1:261/1466.0)
Ärende: Qwk
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Dale Shipp wrote to BjoRn Felten on Saturday September 01 2012 at 00:16:

BF>> How do you make that out? Over here we have almost no QWK users
BF>> AFAIK, but a lot of JamNNTPd ditto.

The first is true. Offhand, I can't think of any R24 nodes who use an OLR. Even
points generally use a point system such as Crosspoint. If you'll remember,
Dale, I mentioned the problem a  long time ago: the difficulty in locating and
replying to prior messages without having a mailbase. You apparently can do
this, but when I was working with BlueWave a _very_ long time ago, this was
impossible and a big handicap.

The second claim may be valid for Bjorn and his friends, but not here in R24.
Aside from which...

DS> Which is online access, and a fine alternative for those who wish to
DS> use it. Many users perfer offline access.

...your objection is fully justified. Even now, there are very few people who
use an online system to read and write fido messages in R24. This JAMNNTPd
system is a personal hobby of Bjorn's, but has never caught on very much.

BF>> Are you saying that most of the non-sysop users in the US are using a
BF>> severely outdated piece of crap like QWK? Poor fellows...

Bjorn is poorly informed. There are plenty of point packages around, and
apparently even mailboxes are still common in Z1, whereas the've effectively
died out in Z2 (I shut mine down in the early 2000's after there had been no
calls for over two years).

DS> Yes, he is saying that.  Actually, it works quite well.  Other than
DS> QWK and Bluewave, what else provides an offline capability?

Offline? Practically any point package, many of which can be modified to run as
a node system (look at me <g> - this is my meanwhile highly modified point
package of 1993).

DS> QWK is built into many BBS systems, such as Maximus which I use.

See the difference? It's as though we were talking different languages. At
least in R24, there are practically no BBS systems left - just no demand. Thus
no opportunity to use them for reading and writing fidomail.

Everyone who is interested in reading and writing echomail/netmail here (R24,
possibly all of Z2) gets a point package (Crosspoint or Fido Packet Deluxe, for
example, the latter based on a Binkley system) and uses it. OLRs died out here
at the latest in the late 1990's, and were no longer in common use after around
1995.

Bjorn is assuming one thing, you're assuming another, both based on the
situation you have yourself. But the situations in Z1 and Z2 differ
considerably, which makes communication difficult for lack of a common basis.
We use the same words, but the meanings are often not identical.

Cheers, Bob

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