Text 33591, 55 rader
Skriven 2016-05-30 19:05:00 av Allen Prunty (1:2320/100)
     Kommentar till en text av Ross Cassell
Ärende: Socialism and solidarity
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-=> Ross Cassell wrote to Earl Croasmun <=-

 RC> Depending on the state, one can detain shoplifters and such, it can
 RC> technically be considered a citizens arrest. It varies though, in most
 RC> states the shoplifter has to advance past the checkouts or even be
 RC> totally outside the door, in other states the act of concealing
 RC> merchandise is enough.

However -if- they detain you and for some reason they screw up, it's one
hell of a lawsuit and the detainee will profit greatly from it.

We have a store here called Meijer and for a time they had an overly
aggressive third shift door greeter lady.  She wanted to check EVERYONE's
receipt and literally would go through bags.  I suspected it was out of
boredom.

This was when was in law enforcement and she tried it with me I asked her 1.
am I being detained.  The act of her stopping me to specifically search my
pruchases was detention.  Then I reminded her we have constitutional
protection from unnecessary search and seizures.  She stood in front of me
and would not let me leave and called the manager.

The manager actually defended her by saying "they do it all the time at Sams
club."  I reminded him that "Sams Club" can do it because it's a condition
of membership.  Finally I called BS on the mess and showed him my badge and
said I'm certian that I know what probable cause and resonable suspicion is
and you have niether so you can't "stop me".  They let me go.

Two days later I'm called to my major's office and I told her what
happened... they poked the wrong bear there as my major got involved calling
corporate.  The "door greeter" disappeared after that and no one has been
stopped other than those who are walking out with a big screen television or
something similar and then they "remove a security sticker" from the box
which does not make it a search.

But that's what disturbs me more... even the wal-mart greeters can sometimes
be overly aggressive.  I had one the other day wanting to see my receipt
because I had a box of doughnuts not in a bag.  I told him "you don't need
to see my receipt" and continued out the door.  Security did not chase after
me and nothing more was said.

I have to shake my head at those who do stop and let them go through their
purchases.  This is how we give up rights... voluntarily in the name of
"security" those doorgreeters have no authority to do this.

However, sams club and costco do because you signed a membership agreement.
If you refuse to stop they can't prosecute you... the worse thing that they
can do to you though is cancel your membership.

Allen


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