Text 34561, 134 rader
Skriven 2016-07-22 21:25:31 av Lee Lofaso (2:203/2)
  Kommentar till text 34529 av Andrew Leary (1:320/219)
Ärende: CG Learn and Fidonews
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Hello Andrew,

 AP>> OK... I'm going to weigh in and will probably step on more than a few
 AP>> toes here.  I've thought this out pretty clear and even reviewed some
 AP>> of the very First fidonews.  I'm going to be as non-partisan as I
 AP>> can...

 AP>> 2. The Backbone.na file that is current for all echos of fidonews
 AP>>    has incorrectly tagged this as an [ADM] echo.

[..]

 AL> Ross Cassell maintains the BACKBONE.NA for the Zone 1 backbone.

For what purpose?

 AL> The [ADM] tag in BACKBONE.NA simply exempts the echo from falling out of
 AL> BACKBONE.NA due to lack of traffic.

His reasons are far more nefarious.

 AL> It really isn't even necessary for that purpose, due to the fact that even
 AL> just the weekly postings of the FidoNews issues are sufficient to maintain
 AL> adequate traffic levels in the echo.

How long did it take you to figure that out?  The Fidonews existed
long before there ever was a BACKBONE.NA even existed.  There was
never a need then, and there is not a need now.  So why was the
[ADM] tag ever attached to the Fidonews in the first place?

 AL> This echo is also widely distributed by alternate distribution schemes
such
 AL> as the FidoWeb.

To the dismay of the "elisted" moderator of the Fidonews, Ross Cassell.
Imagine that.  Using the fake credentials of being the "elisted"
moderator of the Fidonews, Ross Cassell can dictate who gets to play
in the Fidonews, and who cannot.

The alternate distribution scheme used by the NAB is getting
smaller and smaller with each passing day, as it has been replaced
by the FidoWeb by more sysops throughout the world.  Including
many sysops within North America and the USA.

Go ahead and take a look.  Compare the number of systems controlled
by the NAB versus the number of systems outside the NAB.  Freedom
has finally come to Fidonet, and from now on will be a permanent
fixture.

The anti-democratic despots of Fidonet have been overthrown, their
misrule having come to an end.  Long live the FidoWeb!

[..]

 AL> The only purpose of the [ADM] tag in backbone.na is the one stated above.

Bull.

 AL> It has nothing to do with the accessability of the echo to sysops, users,
or
 AL> anyone else.

More bull.

 AL> For any questions regarding that, refer to the echo rules as
 AL> published by the moderator.

Which one might that be?  The rules maintained by the real moderator,
or the fake moderator?  Which one do you want to recognize?  The
one who claims to be the "elisted" moderator?  You do realize who
controls the so-called "international echolist"?  You do realize
who controls the BACKBONE.NA horseshit?

 AL> The International EchoList maintains an archive of echo rules that have
been
 AL> submitted by moderators listing their echoes in the EchoList.

The fox guarding the henhouse.  Janis Kracht, moderator of the
"Echolist" echo.  Ross Cassell, "elisted" moderator of the Fidonews.
What a fucking joke.

 AL> Some moderators, however, choose not to utilize the ELIST, so it may be
 AL> necessary to contact the moderator via netmail or look for rules postings
 AL> in the echo.

I've got a better idea -

Ignore the "International Echolist" as it is not relevant.
No elist/echolist has any official status in Fidonet.  So why
should you or anybody else recognize that piece of shit?

[..]

 AL> The rules state that the echo is for discussing recent articles from the
 AL> FidoNews publication.

What rules?  Who's rules?  There is more than one person who
claims to be the moderator.  So which one are you talking about?
And where can I find the "rules" for each and every moderator
who claims to be moderator?  How do I know that I have the right
moderator?  There may be more than the two that I already know
about ...

 AL> However, the moderator generally doesn't object to other discussions as
long
 AL> as they don't get out of hand.

If the "elisted" moderator doesn't object then why did he ban Tim
Richardson from participating?  Oh, that's right.  The "elisted"
moderator got somebody else to do it for him.  That way he could
wipe his hands clean and pretend he had nothing to do with it.

[..]

 AL> The [ADM] tag:

 AL> 1.  Only has meaning for the North American backbone.
 AL> 2.  Only serves to indicate that the echo is exempt from     traffic
 AL> requirements to remain on the North American     backbone.

 AL> Anyone using this tag as a reason to allow or deny access to the echo is
not
 AL> using it for the intended purpose.

Abusing an elist/echolist is bad enough.  Attaching an [ADM]
tag in order to obtain said purpose is even worse, as nobody
would be answerable to anything in that regard.  And yet,
those three individuals who comprise the NAB claim to be the
most honorable people in all of Fidonet.  Go figure.

--Lee

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