Text 34791, 71 rader
Skriven 2016-07-26 05:45:58 av David Drummond (3:640/305)
  Kommentar till text 34757 av mark lewis (1:3634/12.73)
Ärende: CG Learn and Fidonews
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On 25/07/2016 11:14 PM, mark lewis -> David Drummond wrote:

 ml>>> that's completly irrelevent to whether or not the echolist is
 ml>>> international...

 DD>> It is owned and operated by a Z1 entity,

 ml> if that's what makes it a Z1 list then it is also a Z46 list... why?
 ml> because the owner/operator has an address in Z46... so that's one
 ml> argument that's shot down...

Sustained. There is no Z46 in Fidonet. All other networks are irrelevant to
this discussion. In Fidonet it is a Z1 entity.

 DD>> not the international community

 ml> it never has been... #2 shot down...

Sustained.

 DD>> and has no chance of ever being operated by someone outside of Z1.

 ml> ANYONE CAN START THEIR OWN LIST! #3 shot down...

Sustained. A non-Z1 person cannot become the keeper of that list. Being able to
start an unwanted/unneeded list of our own does not remove the Z1-ness of the
existing echo-list

The fact remains that this is not an international Fidonet e-list. It is
operated from within Z1 for the "benefit" of Z1. Those of us outside of Z1 have
no need of it - it offers us no real benefits.

 DD>> While some non-Z1 echoes may be listed there-in, the use of such is
 DD>> minimal outside of Z1 where such listing carries no
 DD>> weight/mandate/permission to propagate.

 ml> you guys keep using the term "mandate"... does this mean that you expect
 ml> to be told what to do or are you just throwing that word around trying
 ml> to make things appear to be less than they are??

It means that we do not accept the conditions offered by the Z1 echo-list. We
do not accept that it has any authority to impose those conditions. We do not
accept that Fidonet requires that we use that, or any other echo-list.

 DD>>>> We hear that the Z1 backbone will not carry echoes not listed in the
 DD>>>> Z1 echo-list. We don't hear that from any other part of the world.

 ml>>> that doesn't have anything to do with the international aspect,
 ml>>> either...

 DD>> It shows that those outside of Z1 have no need to list in it.

 ml> no, it shows that those outside of Z1 don't care if their echos are
 ml> carried by those backbones that require such a listing... now, can you
 ml> tell me/us why those backbones do that??

Don't know, don't care. It is of no relevance to me. First guess is that it is
a control mechanism. We don't accept Z1 control in our affairs.

We don't care fore the Z1 Fidonet echo-list. We resent being told by Z1 sysops
that we must use it.

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Regards
David

E&OE

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