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Skriven 2016-09-13 18:55:00 av Tim Richardson (5209.fidonet_fidonews)
     Kommentar till en text av MICHIEL VAN DER VLIST
Ärende: 230 Volt
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On 09-13-16, Michiel van der Vlist said to Tim Richardson:

Mv>@MSGID: <57D7EA5F.5193.fidonet_fidonews@1stchoicecore.co.nz>
Mv>@TZ: 0078
Mv>Hello Tim,

Mv>On Monday September 12 2016 21:10, you wrote to me:

Mv>> You claimed to have watched it happen in person. This what you
Mv>> wrote:

TR>> No, it wasn't "...all hearsay." It was from watching guys plug in
TR>> that nice electric razor they'd brought along from the states,
TR>> turn it on for a shave, and all the smoke it made burning out!

TR> Yes. I said that, and SAW that a few times.

Mv>"a few times". As in "more than once".

Yes. More than once.

1. I wouldn't know one from another as the only thing I ever `plugged' in
while I was there was the floor buffer; either in the day room or the
barracks.
2. I don't know what guys did to make their `whatever' go into the plug
holes. Whatever it was either the thing would not work at all, or what
ever voltage or amperage was there would cause the thing to `smoke' and
burn out.
3. I only related `what I saw', and didn't make, or claim to have, an
explanation as to `why' it happened. Only that it did.

Mv>> As I said, it could not have happened as you claim: a NEMA plug
Mv>> does not fit into a Schuko socket.

TR> I don't know anything about the `plugs' Michiel.

Mv>Obviously your knowledge on the subject is limited. Your ignorance does
Mv>however not negate the fact that one can noy just "plug it in" because a
Mv>NEMA plug does not fit in a Schuko socket.

Mv>And yes, you mentioned voltage adapters, Adding that they were not used in
Mv>the cases described. You never mentioned plug-adapters.

I think I said `adapters'.

Mv>I repeat: it could not have happened the way you describe it.

TR> I related something several days ago that occured when I was in
TR> Germany back in the mid 1960's.

Mv>As I said, no big deal.

Mv>But... it makes me wonder how many other statements in you numerous rants
Mv>suffer from the same lack of accuracy...

TR> Too bad it bothered you.

Mv>It does not bother me all that much. I am used to people making statements
Mv>that conflict with knwon facts.

Mv>Oh, BTW, you were wrong about this as well:

TR> Typically they bring 440 from the street pole to a house and it's
TR> stepped down to 220 at the house incoming box. From there it goes
TR> through some breakers (used to be fuses) and is wired to the various
TR> areas of the dwelling. Most electric ranges are 220, some (not all)
TR> freezers are also. Ordinary voltage for lamps, small appliances, TV's
TR> etc are usually 110 or 120.

Mv>Typically they do NOT bring 440 Volts to the house and it is not stepped
Mv>down at the house incoming box. Tp "step down" you need a transformer and
Mv>it is not typical to have transfromers in the house.

I don't know where you are refering to. Here in the USA thats what happens.
In Belgium or the European Union Islamic utopia you live in things may differ.


Mv>In the US, typically the transfromer in the box in the street, or at the
Mv>pole steps the line voltage down to 220 or 230 Volt, That secundary
Mv>winding of that transformer has a center tap that is grounded. Thereby
Mv>cerating a two fase system with 230 Volts between the fases and 115 Volts
Mv>between the fases and neutral. That is brought into the house. Cerating
Mv>the possibility to connect both 15 Volt and 230 Volt appliances.


TR> BTW...I said I hadn't bought anything electronic there. I was
TR> mistaken. I did.

TR> I'd forgotten about this;

Mv>That can happen. Human memory is notoriously unreliable.

TR> There was an AM/FM radio that was made by a German company I think the
TR> name was `Telefunken'.

Mv>A well known brand at the time.

TR> It wasn't just an AM/FM radio

Mv>At the time the FM band in Europe did not go past 100 MHz. In the US one
Mv>would miss out on 100-108 MHz.

TR> it also had four or five short wave bands. I bought it as a present
TR> and wrapped it and sent it to the states without opening it.

Mv>So you didn't see what plug was on it, nor did you see what voltage(s) it
Mv>was designed for. You just send it off without ever veryfing if it would
Mv>work in the US?

A short conversation with the clerk was all that was necessary. He was
supposed to have contacted the office in Belgium that handled such matters,
but their phone was off the hook (in Belgium, that is) and he was unable to
connect. I had to take his assurance on it.

Had I known we'd be having this conversation about 50 years down the road
on the matter, I'd have taken the clerk's name, the phone number of the
office concerned in Belgium, and three character references of both the
clerk in the PX there at USAADM, AND whoever answered the phone in Belgium.

Sorry I was remiss on that. Next time......
TR> It was for the mother of my two sons, and she had it still about 20
TR> years back.

Mv>Did the mother of your sons ever got it to play in the US?

Yes it did.



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