Text 4741, 94 rader
Skriven 2012-11-08 13:27:54 av Roy Witt (1:387/22)
   Kommentar till text 4721 av mark lewis (1:3634/12.0)
Ärende: Auto parts
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 On 08 Nov 12 06:48, mark lewis wrote to Robert Bashe:


 RB>>> As I suspected the VINs are different in the EU and in the States:

 RW>> Like I said before, there are no two VINs that are the same.

 RB>> Naturally, but that wasn't what I meant. The systems are different
 RB>> in the USA (and some other countries) and the EU.

 ml> actually, the systems are all the same... what is different is what
 ml> the manufacturers use... i found a pdf yesterday that shows no less
 ml> than 4 or 5 different VIN "formats" used by mitsubishi... you have to
 ml> know what year the vehicle was made to know which format to use and
 ml> you're in a catch 22 if you try to use the year indicator in the VIN
 ml> to determine that... especially when they started recycling the
 ml> indicator characters so that A covered more than one year and you
 ml> needed a numeric in another position to tell you which year that A
 ml> stood for...

You don't have to have that check digit to know that the car you're
looking at with an A is not a 1980 model. I can tell by the styling and
condition of the vehicle that it is a 2010 model.

 RB>>> If you check out

 RB>>> http://www.auto-vin-decoder.com/

 RB>>> you'll find everything except the model year.

 ml> www.vin-decoder.com is where i found those pdfs... there's a general
 ml> one and a mitsubishi specific one... the general one is the one that
 ml> lists all the various formats used by each manufacturer but it only
 ml> comes up to like 2010...

2001 they started using numbers to indicate the model year.

2010 they returned back to the alpahbet...starting with A.

That's good for at least 22 years in the future. And you will be able to
determine which decade the car was made just by looking at it.

body style, wear and tear, faded/shiney paint, etc...

 RW>> If your car's VIN doesn't comply with ISO 3799 and/or ISO 3833, then
 RW>> it is an invalid VIN...not much you can say or do to change that
 RW>> fact.

 RB>> Roy, _I_ don't say or do anything. I only try to point out the
 RB>> facts. Read the first URL text - in translation, if it must be -
 RB>> and try out the second. You'll find that things are simply NOT
 RB>> always identical to those in the States, however much you might
 RB>> wish they were.

 ml> they're not always the same here in the states either ;)

There are none that are identical. Some may be identical to the last six
digits of the serial number, but that ends it.

 RB>> P.S. As far as the VID plates on the dashboard, viewable from the
 RB>> outside are concerned: German cars simply don't have such things.
 RB>> It's a fact, not my imagination. Don't believe it? Then come over
 RB>> (pay your own air fare) and stay here with me (free) for a week to
 RB>> inspect all the cars in sight. Maybe you'll believe your own eyes
 RB>> even if you don't believe me.

 ml> if they are there, they are mounted inside on the dash at the bottom
 ml> edge of the windshield on the left side of the car closest to the
 ml> hood...

Or, as BMW and MB do it, under the hood on the firewall. His is a Japanese
made car and the VIN plate should be on the dash, viewable from the
outside.

 ml> more than one document i read yesterday pointed out that the
 ml> VIN is always mounted there... even in foreign countries... but then,
 ml> we don't know how official these documents are, either... i've also
 ml> had more than one vehicle where the VIN mount didn't exactly align
 ml> with the slot for it... i was glad that they were also using barcodes
 ml> on them because there was no way to read the numbers but one could
 ml> use a barcode reader to get the info...

Unless it too has slipped out of view. There's also a copy of it on the
build sheet (sometimes found on  the back of the upper back seat) and
another stamped in the frame or that which passes as a frame in a sheet
metal car like his Mazda. Some cars even carry that to another extreme by
stamping the VIN on the engine. i.e. in GM cars, the VIN is stamped or
labeled on every body part, even the glass.


 Hate mongers and morons, get your coffee and keyboards ready. -- R\%/itt

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