Text 5821, 126 rader
Skriven 2013-01-21 01:01:02 av Dale Shipp (1:261/1466.0)
   Kommentar till text 5763 av Michiel Van Der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: Re: Z4
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 -=> On 01-20-13  12:16,  Michiel Van Der Vlist <=-
 -=> spoke to Dale Shipp about Z4 <=-

 DS> Twist and spin all you like.  I suspect that you now realize that
 DS> people can connect to Z4C.

 MVDV> No.

Whether you are willing to admit it in public or not, people can connect
to Z4C.

 DS>>   People can connect to Z4C's system.  He is accessible.
 DS> That is a half-dozen people.

 MVDV> What about the other half dozen that say they can not connect?

Then they are either unlucky or inept or trying at the wrong times.
 
 DS> You could easily add your name to that list if you tried at the right
 DS> time.

 MVDV> Any time is the "right time". He flies an ICM flag.

Which is clearly an error -- perhaps a misunderstanding of what it is
supposed to mean.   Once you get by that, you could connect with him if
you wished.

 MVDV>> Presumably you have a mailer as you are in the nodelist. So why
 MVDV>> don't YOU  prove me wrong? Do you not have a mailer? Or are you
 MVDV>> afraid you might find out that I am not wrong and that you can
 MVDV>> not connect to his system?
 
 DS> I have a mailer.  I have connected to his system multiple times.

 MVDV> Show the logs.

  14-Jan-2013 03:11:16 Using log file H:\argus\LOG\IP_1.LOG
^ 14-Jan-2013 03:11:16 CONNECT To 190.172.211.176 #24554
  14-Jan-2013 03:11:16 Establishing BinkP transfer protocol
  14-Jan-2013 03:11:17      M_NUL : OPT MB
CRAM-MD5-85b554e3e92f25ab6dded138772a771e
= 14-Jan-2013 03:11:17    Station : Momia BBS
= 14-Jan-2013 03:11:17    Address : 4:90/1 4:4/0 4:90/0 4:902/0 4:902/27
4:902/100
: 14-Jan-2013 03:11:17      SysOp : Manuel Adorni from La Plata, Buenos Aires,
ARG
: 14-Jan-2013 03:11:17     Number : "adorni.no-ip.org"
: 14-Jan-2013 03:11:17      Flags : ALL
: 14-Jan-2013 03:11:17     Mailer : Internet Rex 2.29 Win32 (binkp/1.1)
= 14-Jan-2013 03:11:17       Time : 2013/01/14 05:11:08 -5:00
  14-Jan-2013 03:11:17 Non-password session
  14-Jan-2013 03:11:17 Handshake time - 0 seconds
  14-Jan-2013 03:11:17 Nothing for them
  14-Jan-2013 03:11:17 SEND: End of batch
  14-Jan-2013 03:11:17 RECE: End of batch
* 14-Jan-2013 03:11:18 Session completed successfully
  14-Jan-2013 03:11:18 End

And at least a half dozen such connects in the span of a week or so
before that.  That is the last time I tried.   Note that the 0300 time
is EST and is what I believe is Z4's ZMH.  Don't know what that equates
to in your time zone.

 DS> You *ARE* wrong when you say that connections cannot be made to his
 DS> system.

 MVDV> If you count a one millisecond window of opportunity every 
 MVDV> week as "reacheable", yes then I am wrong.

He is reachable much more than that.  As I said above, I consistently
made connection more than a half dozen times over the span of a week or
so.  You are wrong.

 MVDV> The official
 MVDV> definition of ICM says something else however.

I agree on that -- many of the nodes in Z4 carry that flag.  I suspect
that is a misunderstanding on their part as to what the flag is supposed
to mean.
 
 DS>>  You could verify that Z4C is reachable -- and you probably have
 DS>> done just that,

 DS> Try again during his ZMH.

 MVDV> I have but why? If he is only on-line during ZMH4, then he 
 MVDV> is incompetent in maintaining the nodelist. He flies the ICM flag.

Get over it.  Z4 nodes are not using the ICM flag correctly.  Live with
it.

 MVDV>> mailer on-line for short periods. I am unable to verify that,
 MVDV>> if there are
 
 DS> If you have not verified that -- then you have not tried hard enough.

 MVDV> I have let my mailer try for two weeks every half hour. How 
 MVDV> hard must I try? For a node that advertises 24/7 
 MVDV> connectivity?
 
As has been said multiple times in the past, and again today -- ICM has
most likely been listed in error.  Accept that and move on.

 DS> Try again during his ZMH.

 MVDV> I did. No one home.

I did, he was home.
 
 MVDV> When the nodelist does not reflect reality, it affects us 
 MVDV> all and therefore it is the business of all of us.

There goes that mantra of yours again.  If you feel so strongly about
it, file a PC against him for having an inaccurate flag in his nodelist
entry.

                               Dale Shipp
                  fido_261_1466 (at) comcast (dot) net
                              (1:261/1466)


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