Text 5909, 138 rader
Skriven 2013-01-23 03:24:28 av Nicholas Boel (17109.fidonews)
   Kommentar till text 5896 av mark lewis (1:3634/12.42)
Ärende: Z4
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  Re: Z4
  By: mark lewis to Nicholas Boel on Tue Jan 22 2013 11:53 pm

 NB>> Agreed. Do you agree with that as well?

 ML> did i not write it to someone else to point it out to them specifically??

You of all people I can actually believe in this aspect, Mark.

 NB>> And just as many have shows the opposite. Even more, probably. 

 ML> sounds like they might have a problem, then... they shouldn't play the
 ML> lottery in any case...

Who has the problem, exactly? You blame it on 10 sysops, when there's only one
place to blame it on.

We've uncovered an IP changing situation where his DNS doesn't get updated. Can
you now throw Michiel or Ward or Bjorn under the bus now? No. They were just
pointing out facts as they saw them. I know you were all looking to do so.
That's how this works, right? :(

 ML> i was referencing your reins of being guided alone by others... as for who
 ML>  started what, you'll have to be more specific if you want to continue...
 ML> me? i'm tired of it... you just hit things the wrong way tonight in here
 ML> and at least one other echo... we've been doing very well in other places,
 ML> though... why the ass had to come out again i do not know...

Mark, I'm a grown man. I don't take any initiative from anyone. I agreed with
some of the posts here, and look! Now everyone's silent and we're arguing.

I'm no psycology major, but I'm smart enough to see when someone is playing
games. In this case, I'm only asking questions.. I got attacked from the side
by Janis, and replied in the same demeanor. That is how I work, and noone will
change that.

Reasons for stopping arguing with Roy at times, were because I'm much like him.
I don't take shit from anybody, and if I know what the hell I'm talking about,
I will fight it till the end.

[ atta boy reference towards Roy. :) ]

 ML> obviously someone has misread something... i jumped because you were being
 ML>  insulting... i didn't see anyone insult you before you started it...
 ML> perhaps your messages arrive in a different order but the quotes flowed
 ML> smoothly in order over here...

You should really check as to who was insulting first. This also isn't the
first time this has happened between Janis and I. The last time was also an
issue of who started it first. Both times, you've seemed to take her side, even
though both times she jumped into a conversation that had nothing to do with
her and insulted me in the process.

Anyway, AGAIN, I'm already over it. I've sent Janis a (hopefully) somewhat
respecful netmail (isn't that how it's supposed to be handled?), but to her
adverts, have switched all my file feeds elsewhere. No problemo.

 ML> you saw and accepted my posts when it came to the technical configuration
 ML> or certain software and the explanations of why it was done that way...
 ML> i'm not talking about the posts in here where we were arguing... the later
 ML> ones... damn, talk about arrogance [SMH] look in the mirror some time, eh?

Sometimes, yes. You have some very good technical FTN (and even otherwise at
times) qualities. But when I'm in an argument, and you butt in and go off on a
tangeant.. I can assure you, it's not read unless I reply to it.

One example: In a Synchronet related echo you went of on a ridiculous tirade
about how things shoudl be done, etc, when joining fidonet.

Here -- if the applicant is willing to apply, and pay attnetion, it takes 1/4th
the time it does to go through someone that follows the way it was done 20
years ago. Maybe people should rethink this, but.. who the fuck am I to get
involved with what people have been fuckin' up for 10+ years.

 ML> sorry but i know i'm not always right... hell, i thought i was wrong about
 ML>  something one time but found out i was wrong about being wrong... others
 ML> in here, however, are always right and they never admit when they are
 ML> wrong...

If I'm wrong, I will definitely admit it. Especially when it comes to technical
issues.

I may be a newbie here in Fidonet, but I know my shit. AND I probably know my
shit better than half of the *C staff here.

You can talk Fidonet all you want, but I've been dealing with, and supporting
FTN tecnnology (without fidonet) for about as many years as people here like to
brag about. So please don't think I'm a newbie. I just avoided "fight-o-net" as
long as I could.

 NB>> And I guess you're going to say that I was out of control first
 NB>> again, right 

 ML> you jumped on janis with no prodding or provocation that i saw...

HAHA. Perfect. I figured you would say that. Even after a rescan of your logs,
you might even say that again.

I was talking to someone else. Janis replied to a public message to me with an
insult..

If you don't see this, go away, because I'm not going to continue the
conversation, as it's not worth it. It's here in public, though, so your
blinders can be ignored for a few.

 ML> "we" as in everyone who has been here since at least y2k and everyone who
 ML> is still here from the 80's and 90's have all enabled the network to
 ML> exist... without it, you wouldn't be here and neither would anyone else...
 ML> THAT's the enabling i mean... "we" enabled the politicos to use the
 ML> network... "we" enabled the technicians to create the software that "we"
 ML> needed... "we" allowed the users to abuse our systems to "get their mail"
 ML> and "get their files"... yes sir... "we" are enablers...

Don't care. Most outsiders take this as you've fucked it up for everyone. The
fact that you still require so many things in order to accept a new member is
kinda ridiculous.

Make sure netmail works. If they can handle that, they can handle damn near
anything!

I have a new point now, even though I never wanted points. But one oddball
dickhead RC didn't want to accept him, seeing as though he (the RC) couldn't
sent netmail back to a TEMP node he setup for him. 

Oddly enough, I set this guy up in about 15 minutes as a point here, which goes
to show that the mentioned RC didn't have a proper configuration for his
"temporary" node.

Stupid is as stupid does. And everyone here seems to promote it.

Mark, of all people, I'm surprised you weren't disgusted YEARS ago. You have so
much knowledge and experience.. :(

Regards,
Nick

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