Text 8284, 118 rader
Skriven 2013-04-23 00:47:59 av Lee Lofaso (2:203/2)
   Kommentar till text 8144 av Roy Witt (1:387/22)
Ärende: The Three Stooges
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Hello Roy,

 DS>> And Bob Satti, acting as the IC, appointed Warren as the editor in
 DS>> September 2000.

 MVDV>> After Bob Satti resigned as ZC1 in 1999, he was no longer
 MVDV>> recognised as IC by the majority of Fidonet.

RW>The 'majority of Fidonet' being the three stooges in zone two
RW>...they don't really count for much else...

Michiel's reference to the 'majority of Fidonet' is a reference
to the number of Fidonet sysops worldwide.

However, it could be argued that Michiel was referring to the
zone coordinators, and only the zone coordinators, as it is the
zone coordinators who elect and/or dispose the IC.  In which
case, three stooges can really count for a heck of a lot.

Six zones, six zone coordinators (stooges).
Five zones, five zone coordinators (stooges).
Four zones, four zone coordinators (stooges).
Three zones, three zone coordinators (stooges).
Two zones, two zone coordinators (stooges).
One zone, one coordinator (stooge).

With six stooges in place, it took three stooges
to block an election.

With five stooges in place, it took three stooges
to block an election.

With four stooges in place, it took two stooges
to block an election.

With three stooges in place, it takes two stooges
to block an election.

With only one or two stooges in place, it only takes
one stooge block an election.

However, more importantly, with three stooges in place,
it only takes two stooges to elect/or dispose of, a new IC.
Which is why the two stooge strategy of electing/disposing
an IC is so effective.  One stooge will always get another
stooge to go conspire against the other stooge in order to
get what they want.

P4 mandates that the newly elected IC *must* be among one
of the stooges voting.  IOW, the stooges *must* vote for one
of their own as the Great Big Stooge of Fidonet.  Former Great
Big Stooge Ward Dossche is very much aware of this, and knows
how to play the game.  Hence the need for the former Great Big
Stooge to go from six stooges to five stooges and from five
stooges to four stooges and from four stooges to three stooges.
You see, he wants his old job of being Great Big Stooge back.

Do keep in mind this two against one strategy makes the odd
stooge out irrelevant.  In which case, that stooge might as well
join `em, making it unanimous.  After all, the show is called
The Three Stooges, never The Two Stooges.

 LL>> Since (by your own admission) there was no legitimate IC in office
 LL>> at the time, then by what right did Warren ascend to the throne?

RW>He was appointed by the ZC1 after the demise of Doug Meyers, deseased
RW>Fidonews Editor.

No zone coordinator (aside from the IC) has authority to appoint
the fidonews editor.  Since Bob Satti was not legitimately the IC,
there was no legitimate appointment.

 LL>> The fact being there was no de jure appointment does not change the

RW>There is nor was there ever any law in Fidonet.

There are no policy documents in Fidonet?  What about P4?
P4 is the "law of the land" when it comes to Fidonet.
Every Fidonet sysop has sworn to abide by P4 (although
the Ice Queen and her cohorts have freely chosen to ignore
it - unless it serves their evil purposes).

 LL>> fact it was a de facto appointment, accepted by the majority of
 LL>> sysops.

RW>Let's just say that there was no Fidonet governing body and that
RW>it was put upon the ZC1 to fill a vacancy that had been left by the
RW>death of the editor in question.

The ZC1 acting as Dictator of Fidonet.  Gotcha.

RW>This was done by following Fidonet Policy 4.07 where it states that
RW>the Fidonews Editor is assigned the node number of 1:1/1, which is
RW>under the jurisdiction of the Z1C...no other ZCs need apply.

You'd better read the whole sentence, not just the part that says
node number of 1:1/1, if you want to comprehend the meaning of what
is written.

In any event, your flawed interpretation deceives you, as P4 merely
states who is to be assigned the node number of 1:1/1, not who is to
assign that node number.

 LL>> Björn Felten is the one and only *official* editor/moderator of the
 LL>> fidonews.

RW>Felten was deposed as the editor of Fidonews by the majority of
RW>sysops who reside in zone one, where the address of the Editor is
RW>listed in the nodelist. Any other listing is a fake, of course.

Three sysops in zone 1 chose to replace the editor of the fidonews
with someone of their own choosing, and you call that a "majority of
sysops who reside in zone one"?  Gosh, are you cracked.

--Lee

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