Text 865, 183 rader
Skriven 2012-07-18 20:37:19 av mark lewis (1:3634/12.0)
Kommentar till text 840 av Nicholas Boel (10841.fidonews)
Ärende: .fidonet
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> NB> There you go, Mark. I've now managed to get GNU nano working as an
> NB> external editor over here, so your precious editor's additions of
> NB> extra text to messages (initials) stay put for you.
>
> but MY initials aren't there :/
NB> That's because I'm quoting you, and YOU are in the TO: field. How
NB> many times do you old folk have to be reminded who the message is
NB> directed to? If more than once, you're going senile.
that's about as much of a bullshit argument as i've ever heard... you youths
just don't know how the games are really played and so you make up our own
damned rules and screw everyone else... a perfect example is all the internet
software out there that is still using tech older than fidonet and still
doesn't quote properly (for this particular argument)... why? because no one
give a damn when they should and could and the entire thing could have been so
much better than the sloppy shit we have now :/
> NB> On to bigger and better things. What exactly have you shown that is
> NB> Rob's problem? The MSGID that editors are *NOT* supposed to be
> NB> parsing? Or the quoting issue you pointed out, that has absolutely
> NB> nothing to do with Synchronet?
>
> my statement about "if you can show them that it is his problem" was
> directed directly at NA and at least one specific problem that has been
> shown to him about his software's editor... the proof was taken directly
> from PKTs that dbridge built and sent here...
NB> Yeah, but you started this thread with remarks about Synchronet.
NB> Only because Nick spoke up did you say anything about DB.
i didn't start the thread... is your threading broken?
> who said anything about MSGID being parsed or not? i've been saying
> that it
> is not supposed to be parsed but that the origaddr field should properly
> represent the reply address of the originator... how else is one supposed
> to send a private netmail reply if their system cannot determine what
> address to use to send to?
NB> IMO, the origaddr in the MSGID is still part of the MSGID. That
NB> shouldn't be parsed. You're still saying the MSGID should NOT be
NB> parsed, but the origaddr IN the MSGID is where you get your
NB> netmail address from? That doesn't make sense, Mark.
the MSGID is made of two parts... the origaddr and the unique-for-3-years
serial number... the origaddr should not be parsed but if it is going to be
used, it can and should be used as it is... what is so hard to understand about
that? this is NOT the internet when any old crap is fine...
NB> There's a couple other places the node number is stored.. Are you
NB> sure it doesn't look in those places instead?
properly written FTN software does look in more than one place... which address
should be used if the others are not the same? how's about i pop over into
SYNCHRONET and try to send you a private reply to one of your posts over there?
will it end up on YOUR bbs where you originated the message i would be replying
to or would it fall into a blackhole or require the operator of that system to
manually forward it on to your real address in that othernet???
> and synchronet DOES have a quoting problem in several of its editors...
> people have been being casitgated about it for years and still nothing has
> been done... the fuss about the problem(s) comes and goes but it has not
> been solved...
NB> The two main editors being used today with Synchronet do NOT add
NB> initials to quoted messages.
right... but they do chainsaw quotes and loose characters and even whole words
at times... proper reflowing of the quotes would be a big step forward...
shirley this can be done in that javascript stuff? once that is done, adding
the initials is child's play ;)
NB> If either programmer thought the idea of adding these initials
NB> was a good one, wouldn't you think they would have done it by now?
i don't have an answer for that because too many are and have been ruined by
the internet's poor software and "it works for me" crap... i don't intend or
want to try to put anyone down but for fucks sake, man, this shit has been
around for longer than a decade and yet no one writting new software gives a
shit???? gimme a break, eh? this is truely a very sad state of affairs...
really...
NB> Synchronet doesn't have a quoting problem. You just have a
NB> disagreement with the way it does it.. which in other people's
NB> (including people that can follow a thread without it, and don't
NB> need to be reminded who said what in every message) eyes, quotes
NB> very nicely.
[truthful sarcasm]
when you grow up, maybe you'll see the difference and realize how crappy
chainsaw quoting and no quote initials really is...
[/truthful sarcasm]
NB> <sarcasm>
> NB> Those are some credentials!
NB> </sarcasm>
i wasn't being sarcastic... that's part of the problem, too... "you"'re too
busy being a smartass and sarcastic to pay attention to the real problem and
see the arguments from others' points of view... "you" sound just like my kids
before they grew up and learned these things or got killed...
> 25 years worth... more than many current active members have been in the
> network and more than many of today's developers of thought of
> investing in
> the network...
NB> You've mentioned that on numerous occasions. You must be proud.
NB> Hold your head up high, champ! I just can't fathom how many things
NB> you probably missed out on during that timeframe. :)
i wouldn't wish my life on anyone... i've yet to find any who could have
handled it as i have and come out as well as i have... as much as that can be
said anyway...
> NB> You and yours? Who is yours?
>
> you really are youthful, eh? you don't recognise that saying? it means me,
> my posessions, and my family and their posessions... in some cases, close
> friends are also included...
NB> That had nothing to do with being youthful. See? All those years in
NB> Fidonet really cinged your sarcasm detection ability. I asked "Who
NB> is yours?" because you're the only person whining about this right
NB> now. Most other people, or "yours (at the time you used "mine")"
NB> have lives, and could really care less how someone quotes, as long
NB> as they're capable of figuring out who said what.
your sarcasm is bullshit and you definitely read "mine" wrong... there is no
one in fidonet that i consider to be in my circle of "me and mine"... so why
you ever thought that anyone else was involved is beyond me... perhaps you
should drop the sarcasm shit in the trash and try to follow along instead of
stiring the shit? you are at least 15 years too late... you'd have fit in
perfectly back in the 90's...
NB> Why have you never argued with Janis about this? How long has she
NB> been using BBBS? Do you pick and choose your battles, rather than
NB> caring about your beloved Fidonet as a whole?
who says that things haven't been said to janis about this? not everything is
done out in the open... most of the time when it get to that point it is
because everything else has failed in private and it all just boils over...
then we get st00pid sarcastic shit that has only the purpose of keeping things
stirred up...
> NB> You don't even use any of his software or contributions, do
> NB> you?
>
> i have looked at both packages that have been discussion... i've run them
> for a while here and there... both were removed for various reasons but
> today, one big sticking point is that ancient known problems are not
> (still) fixed and it appears that the current maintainer(s) can't or won't
> fix them... as long as that is so, i won't entertain the thought of
> possibly using that software nor will i recommend them as i have
> been known
> to do...
NB> Someday you will realize that not everything will be up to YOUR
NB> standards, Mark.
maybe you'll understand that it isn't MY god damned standards... no more than
it was your parents standards that you were raised with... shirley they knew
more than you did... at least until you were a teenager when you knew
everything... but then later, you found that they had learned so much more when
it was really you that had learned... SMH
NB> There's quite a few people using DBridge and Synchronet. And AFAIK
NB> most, if not all users are happy with them, and will report bugs
NB> as they see them. When someone that doesn't even use the software
NB> whines about something that's not a "problem", but yet a "problem
NB> in Mark's eyes" .. It might just go in one ear, and out the other.
many bugs aren't seen until someone else points them out... i've yet to meet an
ostrich that is unhappy with their head in the sand where they can't see what's
really going on... most users don't have a clue what their software is doing or
why it is doing it... thanks m$, apple and xerox for hiding everything behind
the pretty stuff... ooohhh! it is so pretty! i don't know how it works or care
but it is so pretty!!
)\/(ark
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