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Skriven 2013-07-29 00:01:00 av Dale Shipp (1:261/1466.0)
   Kommentar till text 9399 av Michiel Van Der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: Re: Social Security
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 -=> On 07-28-13  13:56,  Michiel Van Der Vlist <=-
 -=> spoke to Dale Shipp about Social Security <=-

 DS>  MVDV> Belief is accepting things as fact without having any proof.
 
 DS> Believe also means to consider it likely.

 MVDV> In your vocabulary perhaps, not in mine.

Then you need to update your vocabulary.
 
If you think something is likely, then you have some belief in it being
true.
 
 MVDV>> 1) Ward applied for a Z1 node number for his system in Montana.
 MVDV>> Twice.
 
 DS> Not a proven fact.

 MVDV> Are you saying that Ward is a liar?

I am saying that there is no visible and verifiable evidence that he
ever submitted a proper application for a node -- and to the best of my
knowledge, he has not claimed that he did so.  He has claimed that he
made inquiry, full stop.

 MVDV>> 2) Both the applications did not result in a node listing.
 
 DS> See above.

 MVDV> The nodelist is proof that no node number was issued.

 MVDV>> 3) No technical reasons were given.
 
 DS> Unknown.

 MVDV> To you maybe, not to me.

Show us your proof then.

 MVDV>> 4) Someone claimed a vote was held. You said I should not
 
 DS> How could I deny something that probably did not happen.

 MVDV> So you admit that it /could/ have happened.

Not at all, I have no way of knowing whether or not Roy had a vote in
private or not.  I also have no way of knowing whether or not Dave
Drummen actually held a election for FN_SYSOP in some other private
echo.  Both claims have the same validity in my mind.

 MVDV>> everywhere. The word "Omerta" comes to mind.
 
 DS> Now you are really going over the deep end into conspiracy theories.

 MVDV> In your mind.

And in the mind of all who know what you meant.

 MVDV>> So my suspicion remains.
 
 DS> Continue believing what you wish.

 MVDV> Suspicion != belief.

So long as you present excuses that you deem to be plausible, you are
stating what you think to be likely.  To most people who do not share
your anti-religion bias, that equates to "you believe to be likely".

 MVDV> Now, do you really believe (by your definition of believe) that
 MVDV> instead of  producing facts, that focusing the cross hairs on me and
 MVDV> accusing me of blowing smoke, fabricating rumours and 
 MVDV> venting conspiracie theories is going to convince me that 
 MVDV> my suspicions are unfounded?

 MVDV> Think again.

I never believed that I could convince you that your conspiracy theories
were unfounded -- but I could and did point out the fallacy of your
making them without any evidence other than your own prejudice.

 MVDV> Cheers, Michiel

L'Chayyim

                               Dale Shipp
                  fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
                              (1:261/1466)


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