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Skriven 2013-08-05 00:45:10 av Lee Lofaso (2:203/2)
   Kommentar till text 9507 av Roy Witt (1:387/22)
Ärende: Fidonet Node Number zone 1
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Hello Roy,

 JK>> The ZCs have an agreement not to list folks from other Zones in
 JK>> their segment, so no, it is not normally possible to do this,
 JK>> sorry.

 LL>> I seriously doubt that any such "gentlemen's agreement" exists,
 LL>> or has ever existed.

 WD>> It does.

 DD>> Where did you find two gentlemen to agree?

RW>Moron.

It takes at least two morons to make such an agreement/secret deal.

RW>A "gentleman's agreement" is a noun whose definition is: An agreement
RW>guaranteed only by the pledged word or unspoken understanding of the
RW>parties involved.

There is a difference between open gentlemen's agreements and secret
diplomatic agreements.  The kind of agreement that Janis and Ward are
talking about is a secret agreement made between unspecified zone
coordinators.  IOW, a secret agreement made between Janis and at least
one other zone coordinator.

Secret agreements have often been used as a discriminatory tactic.
Here are some examples -

* In 1934 the National Football League owners making a pact between
 themselves to ban black players.

* This very same tactic was used by college football coaches in
 the South (until Paul "Bear" Bryant's Alabama Crimson Tide was
 demolished by the Southern Cal Trojans (played at Alabama) on
 national television.

* Major League Baseball owners were no better than their counterparts
 in the NFL, having made a secret deal amonst themselves banning black
 players.  It wasn't until Jackie Robinson was hired by the Brooklyn
 Dodgers in 1946 that the pact was broken.

* Jim Crow laws and segregation in the South, lawmakers (and
 politicians) having made secret deals to keep black folks from
 having any kind of say, or even having the right to vote.

RW>The parties may be unisexual and it's still a gentleman's agreement.

"The essence of a gentlemen's agreement [secret deal] is that it relies
upon the honor of the parties ..." - Wikipedia

In this case, the parties involved have no honor.  Such secret deals
do not belong in fidonet.  Nor to they belong anyplace else.

SECRET AGREEMENTS (by any given name) are not valid or binding in
fidonet.  Those who make such agreements are not honorable, and have
lost their place as an administrator.

Since Janis claims to have made a SECRET AGREEMENT with other zone
coordinators (whom she refuses to name), she has lost the right to
be a fidonet sysop.  When she applied for membership, she promised
her fellow sysops that she would be a good girl.  She has failed
the test due to her own actions.  Therefore, she brought the penalty
upon herself: automatic excommunication.

"All international agrements are gentlemen's agreements because,
short of war, they are ALL unenforceable." - Wikipedia

Have a great day.

-- Lee

"Here I come to save the day!" - Mighty Mouse

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