Text 9558, 85 rader
Skriven 2013-08-06 15:18:40 av Roy Witt (1:387/22)
   Kommentar till text 9550 av Dale Shipp (2:280/5555)
Ärende: Social Security
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Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Dale Shipp:

 MVDV>>> No, he stated that he made a request.

 DS>> A request is not an application.

 MvdV> Your are getting desperate. First you say he did not make a
 MvdV> request, just an inquiry. Now that I show you are wrong, you change
 MvdV> to "application".

So is Michiel...he excludes the part of policy that says application.

 MvdV> Well, sorry to burst your bubble, but according to P4, what is
 MvdV> required is a request.

 MvdV> === quote ===

 MvdV> Once you have located the network or region in your area, send a
 MvdV> message containing a request for a node number to node zero of that
 MvdV> network or region.  The request must be sent by netmail, as this
 MvdV> indicates that your system has FidoNet capability.

This part:

   "Otherwise  use  net/9999  (e.g. if you are applying to net 123, set
Applying---------------------------------------^^^^^^^^

 your system  up  as  123/9999)."

And an even more important part:

  "Many nets have specific instructions available to potential
   sysops  and  these procedures may indicate a preference for
   the  from-address."

Did Ward ask the NC if there was any special procedures required? Probably
not, as his English comprehension and ignorance of P4 is just as bad as
Michiel's...

 MvdV> Nota Bene: "request", not "application".

Nottabenny too. Failure to read, understand and include the entire section
is a failure to follow procedure unto itself.

 DS>> Read carefully -- Ward made a request (not an application) and the
 DS>> NC "sort of" replied ... It is apparent that Ward did not follow up
 DS>> with any application.

 MvdV> According to P4 a request will do. No need to follow up with an
 MvdV> application when obtaining a node number. "Application" is only
 MvdV> mentioned in the procedure to create a network.

Wrong.

 "Many nets have specific instructions available to potential
  sysops  and  these procedures may indicate a preference for
  the  from-address."

Net387's procedures are file requestable from the /0 node...

 MvdV> Onece again: If you want to be a policy wanker, at least get it
 MvdV> right.

I agree, Michiel would so much like to be a policy wanker, but he has no
clue when it comes to reading a section of policy and complying with it.
Instead he takes parts of it out of context and trys to convince us that
what he says is from god himself! (even if he's not a believer)

 DS>> You need to read what Ward really says, and not what you want it to
 DS>> say.

 MvdV> He said he requested a node number. He also said that it was denied
 MvdV> because the NC felt he did not need it.

Since Ward is already nodelisted, what use is another node number to one
that doesn't seem to really need it? Not to mention; cannot follow
procedure when it is spelled out in front of him in P4.


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