Text 977, 110 rader
Skriven 2012-07-20 03:51:34 av Roy Witt (1:387/22)
    Kommentar till text 952 av mark lewis (1:3634/12.0)
Ärende: Path
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19 Jul 12 22:59, mark lewis wrote to Roy Witt:

 ml>>> it is not presented upside down...

 RW>>> Yes it is! Stop ignoring what it is supposed to look like and for
 RW>>> gawd's sake, quit making the mistake that it is/was meant to be
 RW>>> read by a frickin' computer.

 ml>> roy, damn, man... it is the tree from THIS system's perspective...

 RW>> I know what it is...but it definately wouldn't meet with approval
 RW>> from people who know better; Brenda Donovan, Dave Hallford, etc.,
 RW>> echomail routing experts for sure.

 ml> they aren't here

Nor did either of them call a spade a club, or vice versa.

 ml> and the tree isn't built in such a way to fit on a webpage...

Their routing upside down 'tree' didn't display on a webpage either.

 ml> there's no way it can be built so that the other ends are all on the
 ml> left and the destination, my system, is on the right...

Ever look at a block diagram of a TX/RX radio? AKA transceiver! The RX
input (antenna) follows the signal to the speaker and the TX signal
follows the input (microphone) to the output (antenna).

 ml> definitely not without a huge amount of wordwrapping and that's not
 ml> gonna fly in any medium...

Use High ASCII and draw boxes...

 ml>> you you are a leaf on a tree and you look back out to the rest of
 ml>> the leaves on that tree, are you not looking back down the branches
 ml>> to the trunk and roots?

 RW>> Nope. I'm looking across the entire network, left to right, top to
 RW>> bottom.

 ml> then, because of the POV of the report, you are looking from my node
 ml> out to the rest of those linked and who have posted or their systems
 ml> have been traversed...

The signal flows both directions, beginning at the input from the antenna
and ends up back at the antenna when the TXer is keyed.

 ml>> the tree and report are built and shown like all other path diagram
 ml>> programs are...

 RW>> Not exactly. Path diagrams seem to differ in different parts of
 RW>> Fidonet. Region 10 had a different view, for sure.

 ml> of course! they are built from the VIEWING system and not any of the
 ml> originating systems...

They were built like a block diagram of a transceiver.

 ml>> i'm sorry that you are expecting or looking for something else that
 ml>> may, perhaps, come from the "bottom" of the tree or depict the tree
 ml>> from your POV of the tree...

 RW>> I'm looking for a trickle down effect from a hub to net nodes,
 RW>> backbones to end users. Yes, I know that echomail and netmail flows
 RW>> both ways from hubs and backbones to net nodes, but the
 RW>> nomenclature is termed as Downlinks and Uplinks and flow charts
 RW>> should display that way too.

 ml> it can't work that way specifically due to the POV of the reporting
 ml> system...

That sucks.

 ml> i mean, it can but not without a bunch of wrapping and reversal of
 ml> the entire tree and that simply won't work... witness the previous
 ml> report that had two entire lines wrapped... now consider if the whole
 ml> tree were reversed and look at all of the lines, each and every one
 ml> of them, having to be wrapped so as to place my system on the right
 ml> of the tree... thanks but no thanks... i'm not going to reverse the
 ml> entire building process... it is what it is... the view of the tree
 ml> from this leaf here back out to all of the others...

That's nonsense...it makes the tree look like you're the lone star at the
top of a heap and everything flows from your star to the little
planets (dust particles) surrounding it.

 ml> i can easily provide the source code for you to rework the way you
 ml> apparently expect to see it but i doubt that that will be asked for
 ml> ;)

Got too many other things to do besides learn how ot fuck with source
code...maybe 25-30 years ago I would have taken you up on that.

                R\%/itt

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