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Skriven 2013-08-21 17:12:29 av Lee Lofaso (2:203/2)
   Kommentar till text 9933 av Roy Witt (1:387/22)
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Hello Roy,

 LL>> IOW, the phrase "elected ... more than twice" is reference to a
 LL>> particular president who serves one or two consecutive terms.

RW>George Washington and FDR...the latter served 4 terms, which is the
RW>reason for the 22nd amendment. Roosevelt wasn't very effect during
RW>his 3rd and 4th terms.

Consecutive terms.  You got that right.  And so did Bill Clinton -

"That is, if I were writing the rules, I think there was a very strong
argument for telling -- for saying you shouldn't serve three terms in a
row ..."
- Bill Clinton, on MSNBC, interviewed by Joe Scarborough in 2010

 LL>> If that same person were to be elected to another term, he/she LL>would
 RW> be a different president.

RW>Wrong. That person would fit the description of 'elected' to a 1st
RW>and 2nd consecutive term...

Dear boy, you really should learn how to count.  FDR was one president,
not four presidents.  Grover Cleveland was two presidents, not one.

 LL>> Here is an example, which I thought I had made clear the first time -

 LL>> Grover Cleveland, 22nd President of the United States, 1885-1889.
 LL>> Grover Cleveland, 24th President of the United States, 1893-1897.
 LL>> One person (Grover Cleveland), two elected presidents (22, 24).

RW>You're attempting to apply the 22nd Constitutioal amendment to a
RW>person who it wouldn't apply to. i.e. GC was President two times but
RW>much earlier than the 22nd amendment was passed by Congress in 1947
RW>and ratified by the states in 1951..

Bill Clinton is the 42nd President of the United States.
If elected in 2016, he would also be the 45th President of
the United States.  See how that works?  One person, two
presidents.

This also works with Jimmy Carter.  And George H.W. Bush.  And
George W. Bush.  As for Barack Obama, he'll have to wait until he
sits out a term before he can become another president.

RW>No Constitutional Amendments have ever been retroactive and
RW>the 22nd is no exception.

We can pass an amendment to repeal the 22nd amendment, just
like we passed an amendment (21st) to repeal the 18th amendment
(prohibition).  In fact, legislation has been introduced in
the house to do just that ...

RW>More Lofaso moronic rambling deleted because of the deceptive
RW>writing by the author.

You question the wisdom of Bill Clinton?  He views the 22nd
amendment as anti-democratic, a restriction on the rights of
both candidates and the American people.  And he is not the
only one, as Ronald Reagan espoused the very same views -

"This is the only office that is elected by all the people.  I think
that is an infringement on the democratic rights of the people.  And
now that I'm out of office, so that they can't accuse me of wanting
to do it for myself, I'm gong to see if I can't mobilize the people
to demand the repeal of that Amendment.  It is an invasion of their
democratic rights to vote for whoever they want to vote for and for
however long."
- Ronald Reagan, interviewed by Tom Brokaw on NBC, 1-18-1989

Imagine that.  Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan, Lee Lofaso.
All on the same page, promoting democracy for all.

--Lee

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