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Skriven 2005-05-21 08:18:50 av Carol Shenkenberger (6:757/1)
    Kommentar till text 329 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
Ärende: Re: Changing FTS-0001.
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*** Quoting Michiel van der Vlist from a message to Carol Shenkenberger ***


 > I do not want to arge the validity of this as it is
 > not arguable.  Facts are facts.  Z6 has IP Only RC's.

MvdV> I am not arguing the fact that presently there are two IP on;u RC's. w
MvdV> I am arguing is that there is a need for them.

MvdV>> there is no need for ION hosts in Z6.

Michiel, Z6 has them.  Z6 is not alone in this.


MvdV> The only commonality I see, is that Z3's ZMH would fit in better. Alth
MvdV> The importance of that is not as great as it once was.

Evens out the nodelist if nothing else.  Also, Z3 is easier going on sysops.

 > Grin, have ben thinking out of the box.

MvdV> You have indeed. But... what you fail to realize is that there is more

No, I've chosen one of several possible paths and for the moment, the least
disruptive one.

MvdV>> Your job is to find the best achievable connectivity for the no
MvdV>> in your zone. Indeed without causing conflict with others.

Which is what i have done.

 > some of those you see as 'POTS' but to shift them to
 > 000-0-0-0-0.  Li for example simply does not have a valid POTS
 > number nor do any sites in China as far as I can tell.

MvdV> Bin Li? Hmmm Janis told us he had left FidoNet...

We think so, but are not sure yet.  He's got one listing for the moment.


MvdV> This one is not an ION host, it is an *unreachable* host. There is no
MvdV> valid contact information whatsoever. Not POTS and not IP. replacing t
MvdV> bogus number by "-Unpublished-" does not solve the problem that he can
MvdV> not perform the main function of a host and that is to receive mail fo

Michiel, I do not have permission yet to add his email address or those of the
others.  That will come in time or the listing will shift.  As it is, we out
here have his email address, and those of the others.  It would not be
appropriate to nodelist that however without permission.


 > Yes, that is the problem.  I've looked.  Nor can I take a
 > person who is a valid node and just shift their nodenumber in
 > a1 weeks notice out here in the boonies of Fidonet.

MvdV> Of course not. I am not suggesting that you should do it in a week. Al
MvdV> the two years Jan Vermeulen planned for the reorganisation of R28 (the
MvdV> 200 nodes) is much more than you should need. Onec again: Read Jan's a

Then why are you complaining that it isnt all fixed up so that 'you' like it? 
These things come in stages.  As to Jan's article, I am sure it was very
workable for the conditions he was in.

 >> nodes to 000-0-0-0-0 for the phone line shortly or risk yet
 >> more bogus numbers.  At least that one is known and folks
 >> should be aware to block it.

MvdV> Do I understand it that this is a temporary measure and you are contem
MvdV> a better solution? Something that /does/ involve changing node numbers
MvdV> In that case I withdraw most of my objections...

I contemplate something else in time, but not shifting everyone left to under
the 2 remaining POTS number nodes.  They arent in the right locations by any
stretch of the imagination.


MvdV> There is no need for that. Some would argue that echomail is not even
MvdV> part of FidoNet.

 > but I can prevent dialing problems due to bogus phone numbers.

MvdV> When I say connectivity I mean connectivity for *netmail*.

Routed netmail works.  I cant promise they will reply, but that is another
issue.

MvdV> What makes you think I have no experience with odd oath of conection?

Your objections to anything that doesnt match your model where ION hosts do not
exist has a great deal to do with it.

 > have been trained in for the past several years.  Took me a
 > bit to catch on too.

MvdV> It appears to me that when we mention "connectivity" we are not talkin
MvdV> the same thing.

Perhaps not.  You seem to devolve to direct netmail to all hosts, without use
of anything but POTS.  Z6 uses email, and only occasionally remembers to use
netmail.

 > another zone has grown up with that also 'works well'.

MvdV> FidoNet is a global netwok. Zone specific "solutions" are detrimental
MvdV> to connectivity. A sysop in zone X should be able to send netmail to a
MvdV> node  in zone Y /without/ having to know about any zone specific issue

There you have it <g>.  Everyone has to be set 'your way' or it's not good
enough.  You will just have to continue to be unhappy then.


MvdV> The only official way of routing in FidoNet is to drop it at the host
MvdV> of the destination. That should /always/ work.

 > Z3 is a classic there that is radically different from Z2 yet
 > 'works well'.

MvdV> I don't see any radical differences between Z3 and Z2.

You will note when you ask, they get quiet.  No offense meant but they probably
dont want to talk much with you about how they differ for fear of landing in
conversations like this one.  Meantime, they are actively *using* the new
makenl for generating a secondary diff for use internaly that has the new
features turned on.

I'm looking at generating one too, just for Z3's use that has Z6 without any
000- numbers at all.  Shifting all static IP's to a location Malcolm says is
most common for his area (dunno if he prefers the flag or the BBSname space,
but Z6 uses the bbsname space more often than any other model, and i
replicated them over to the phone spot to get rid of the bad numbers when they
were static).

 > Nope.  2, with China abouyt to demise as I said being next in line.

MvdV> That is not what I was referring to.

So you want me to take the 3 regions and make 1?  China may be removed sometime
in the not too terribly distant future, but not today.  Also, i've got nodes
in the Anatoli area and Terry Roatis area.

 > Did you track that we demised 5 regions in the past 18 months?
 >  I am looking close at China but not ready just yet.

MvdV> We still are not talking the same language. What I see it that regions
MvdV> have been "demised" because their was not a single node left. India co

No, some were shifted.

MvdV> 2) Someone to run the system that accepts inbound mail for the rest an
MvdV> forwards it. That system should preferably offer POTS and IP capabilit
MvdV> How many of those do yo need to care for less than 10 downlinks. One i
MvdV> al you need and If you can't find *one*, you better close shop.

We have that.  2 of them though some did not like my choice of zonegate, you
can hardly disagree that he is capable of the above.


 > Smile, gives me a few ideas.  Not what I want to do just yet
 > though. I DO appreciate it however.  Humm, comes to mind you
 > seg doesnt quite match mine yet.  You still list Thailand for
 > example.  I took them out I think it was 2 segments ago.
 > Might be a processing problem I was unaware of?

MvdV> Hmmm....

MvdV> It seems something went wrong last week and we missed one or two steps
MvdV> Now we are in sync again and ward has used your segment #140.

It's ok, I put them back in.  The node under Hanks is working on his setup. 
Hanks, sadl, is believed to have been a tsunami victim so the Thailand set
*will* change but holding just for the moment while he checks out BBBS and
MBSE for possible use now that he's gone UNIXbox.

MvdV> N.B. Please don't take all this personal. As far as I am concerned we
MvdV> are not fighting. Just exchanging unorthodox ideas.

No problem!  Just dont get upset when the answers are not what you were
thinking of.
                                       xxcarol

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