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Skriven 2013-10-23 19:20:21 av mark lewis (1:3634/12.71)
     Kommentar till en text av Nick Andre
Ärende: FTSC Nominations
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On Wed, 23 Oct 2013, Nick Andre wrote to Mark Lewis:

ML>  NA> Either the FTSC is not doing its job by publishing CLEAR
ML>  NA> standards,
ML> possibly but that's up to the chairperson and the members, isn't it?

 NA> If the standards are clear, then time is being spent elsewhere. 

i guess... but that depends on what is meant by "clear" in the documentation...
what you and i might read as clear and concise is not read the say way by
others... eg: how many packages do you know of that put both PID control lines
*AND* tearlines with product information for the same product listed in the
PID??

ML> i don't know what the product is... uli reported it recently...
ML> and we're not talking about the PID control line... we're talking 
ML> about the product id inside a PKT file... i know of at least one 
ML> product that alters its process

 NA> LOL!!!! Hands down, bad programming. PID is freaking easy to
 NA> implement. Its  clearly documented! 

you miss the point... that point being that some software is processing based
on what they find as the PID... not that the OID is not implemented
incorrectly... i agree that software should not process PKTs based on what
package created the PKT...

 NA> Its not the FTSC's job to demonstrate programming examples of how 
 NA> to write PID's or what breaks other programs.

no one said that that was being done...

ML>  NA> Then the FTSC is totally completely useless as it is, not 
ML>  NA> doing its job and should be disbanded or greatly reduced 
ML>  NA> as I suggested.
ML> 
ML> this is part of the task of the chairman, isn't it? the size of
ML> the FTSC has nothing to do with what the FTSC does... leadership is 
ML> a big part, too...

 NA> The size has everything to do with the FTSC. Too many cooks in the
 NA> kitchen and people being elected for the wrong reasons. 

that still has nothing to do with the size... have you seen "too many cooks"
with the binkp standard? any others?? is it not the job of each FTSC member to
offer input, if they have any, on proposals and standards being reviewed?

ML> the FTSC does not babysit other programmers' software... the FTSC
ML> does not offer unlimited free technical support, either... who said 
ML> they did?

 NA> Whoever feels the need to turn the private FTSC echo from
 NA> paper-shuffling into discussions about trivial things like PID.

who is doing that, nick? i haven't seen such traffic... have you??

ML> isn't this period about the elections?

 NA> Which is why I'm commenting on it, as this is an FTSC-related
 NA> discussion and I mentioned earlier that I'm curious what the
 NA> candidates would do to make  Fidonet more developer-friendly.
 NA> Andrew stated he did some work on a Wiki... 

that was back when... do you really think a wiki is user friendly? i haven't
found one yet that is and i'm an editor on numerous wikis... i don't know of
one for your product, either... is there one??


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