Text 4304, 104 rader
Skriven 2009-04-09 13:06:17 av Ross Cassell (1:123/456.0)
   Kommentar till text 4293 av God Dan (1:138/666.0)
Ärende: Food for thought
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God Dan -> Ross Cassell wrote:

 GD>> It's your preconceptions, misconceptions and lack of psychic
 GD> abilities.


 RC>> So let me get this straight...

 RC>> A. You firmly believe that people exist whom are religious to the
 RC>> point of being rabid or fundemental, whom strive to cram their beliefs
 RC>> into your face and life.

 GD> I don't need to believe it.  I've had it happen to me, more than once.

As have I, but not in the recent past and I do live in the Bible Belt, you do
not.

Blue Laws were not new to me, I was born and raised in Virginia, it had blue
laws too, but before I was old enough to care, they repealed theirs, so I guess
at the time I had no up front exposure to them..

I moved down here to South Carolina in the second half of 1987, and the blue
laws were a rude awakening for me. Unless you went to and belonged to a Private
Club, one could not go into a restaurant for on-premise consumption of beer,
wine or liquor. Additionally beer and wine could not be sold for carry-out
purposes between 12am Sunday til 6am Monday.

Additionally retail stores could not sell what was deemed as non-necessities on
Sundays before 1:30pm (This law was once so tight as to say not at all on
Sundays). A necessity would be something like Food, restaurant, Auto Parts
etc.. Although they did have a list, for instance a womans bikin top was a
necessity, a bra was not..

Places in SC deemed as tourist areas, mainly the coast, were exempted from
these blue laws for the most part.

So you can imagine for young people out in the party scene having rather drab
and boring Saturday nights with an early last call. You had people lining up at
the grocery and liquor stores on saturday nights. Those wanting to go shopping
had to wait until 1:30pm. This law presented real challenges to Super K-marts,
whereas they had to rope off the store except for the grocery section.

The state achieved constitutionality for these blue laws by wording them as
such as to have them wield their authority to regulate commerce.

Side Note: Blue laws or not, I had no issue with liquor stores not openning,
they needed at least one day off a week and if its okay for there to not be
postal service on Sundays, why not?

Attempts to eliminate the blue laws or relax them mostly failed in the early
1990's, with their advocates citing religious reasons:

"Workers need time to worship or spend time with their families"

"Consuming alchohol is a sin on the sabbath"

I poo-poo'ed them because these same people were lining up at the steak houses
after church let out, emergency service workers were working, the power company
was making sure the church organ and sound system and lighting worked. When I
would point this out to one of these advocates, they usually would hiss in
anger "thats different". I would then tell them that I work in retail and
worked for a retailer that was forbidden to sell anything before 1:30pm and
that we would merely come in to do other tasks and just open the doors at
1:30pm. They said "oh". So much for them thinking the law was allowing me time
to spend time with family.

I would merely tell these people that if they objected to drinking on Sunday to
not drink, that if they objected to retail commerce on Sundays to not work in
retail or to not shop on Sundays.

Heh Heh, where I work now, we started openning on Easter Sundays in 2007, after
years of never openning on Easter. I worked that first Easter Sunday 2 years
ago and had a customer come in, we were literally doing no business and had
been open for a couple hours before he came in, wanting printer ink.. Of course
this is after he told us that we shouldnt have been open, which I said if you
thought that sir, why did you leave home to go shopping? I then told him that
we had to open when our competition decided to, we couldnt surrender potential
sales to the competition. But he had no response as to why he was out shopping.

Anyway, the state eventually allowed the individual counties and cities hold
referendums on whether or not to maintain the blue laws, as a result many
places have done away with one or both blue laws.

So yes Dan, I am well aware how fundies wish to insert them and their beliefs
into the lives of others..

 RC>> B. You deny the fact that there are atheists whom are the same exact
 RC>> way.

 GD> None that I personally know of.  Madalyn O'Hare pretty much fell into
 GD> that caregory though.

You dont need to cite only one name, just admit that rabid atheists exist, I
never inferred you were personally familiar with all that do exist.


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