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Text 484, 75 rader
Skriven 2006-11-30 02:10:10 av MATT CLARK (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av JOHNJWILSON
Ärende: War: Greed/Power/Territory
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JW>  Following your sdamancy, I
JW>  Googled "Do religions cause most wars?"
JW>  Got a TON of interesting results
JW> ... e.g.,
JW> Richard Dawkins:
JW> "Religions causes wars by generating certainty"

This seems to suggest that we are better off if we are more uncertain
about matters than not.   

I submit that most wars were entered into with more than a fair 
measure of uncertainty.



JW>  ========
JW>  911, Iraq, Afganastan, Northern Ireland, 
JW>  The Middle east, Bosnia, Sri Lanka...
JW>  =========

Please explain how any one of these conflicts were fought because of
religion.  I submit they were all fought over territory and/or greed 
and/or power and/or political ideology, and/or cultural indifference/
revenge, where religion only served to further polarize matters already 
in array.   But hey, if it makes you feel better to dump it all on the 
lap of religion...well, go ahead and try.  Look where it got Mr. G.D.   
ie. A disjointed thread with remarks all over the map with nothing else 
to show for but a foul mouth.


JW> I suggest you 'google' it...I spent A very interesting hour...

I've done quite a bit of searching myself only to have the facts I 
presented ignored (WW1, WW2, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc)..

I am not in the habit of researching cryptic claims made in a conference 
where one is expected to submit their POINT before offering token examples
of whatever that point was supposed to be.  Are you too saying that 
religion is the cause of most war/deaths...even after it has been show 
by numerous major wars that this is FAR from true?

I could have just as easily replied in kind to your above suggestion by 
simply saying..  'I too did a search and spent a very interesting hour'.


Once again, I have offered wars like WW1, WW2, numerous civil wars, 
revolutions, Ganghis Khan and the expansion of Mongol Empire, etc...all 
wars where the numbers killed dwarfs the entire populations of the times 
and places where wars supposedly fought over religion have occurred.
NOTHING has been offered to counter that, including the small little 
conflicts you have offered.  Still.

And once again, ladies and gentlemen, I never said that no war was ever 
fought over religion.  I merely took the claim that 'Religion has caused 
more wars/deaths than anything else' and exposed it is as the fallacy 
that's been handed down and parroted over and again by those with a 
political and/or social axe to grind.


I also notice that you have submitted your message with no pretext of 
your own concerning religion.  What is it that you are trying to say 
about religion?  Perhaps you should have made your statement about 
religion first, before offering your 'evidence' such that it is.


And when the claim about war and religion is made, does this include the 
godless atheists who went after people 'because' of their religion, or does
that war/religion claim only suit you when you're driving down a one 
way street? 

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