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Skriven 2009-05-04 15:29:10 av Ed Hulett (1:123/789.0)
   Kommentar till text 5906 av Dan Ceppa (1:138/666.0)
Ärende: COGNITIVE DIFFICULTY.....
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Dan Ceppa -> Ed Hulett wrote:
 ->> On 02 May 09  18:52:43, Ed Hulett got back to Dan Ceppa
 ->> Re: COGNITIVE DIFFICULTY.....

 DC>> Sure, Ed.  You won't look atr anything that isn't LDS approved.

 EH>> That is a lie. Not once have I said any such thing.

 DC> Lie again, Ed does you well.

Huh?

You're the liar.

 EH>>> that sacred reverence which ought to be maintained in the breast of
 EH>>> rulers towards the constitution of a country."

 EH>>> --Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 25, 21 December 1787

 DC>> And, just where does it say "God" or "Christian"?

 EH>> It doesn't and I never said it did.

 DC> Which skewers your claim of it being "founded as an xian nation".

I never said it was founded as a Christian nation. I said it was founded by
Christians as well as deists and even a Jew. All of those men were religious
men who believed in God.

 DC>> Face it, Ed:  The founding fathers went well out of their way to make
 DC>> sure religion was separated from gvt.

 EH>> And well they should have. Government has no place in determining what
 EH>> church I go to or whether I go or not.

 DC> And you have no business telling others what they do via adding your
cult's
 DC> rules into gvt.

Huh? Where have I demanded the use of LDS or Christian rules by government?

 EH>> You obviously are under the mistaken idea that I want government
 EH>> controlling religion. I have repeatedly posted the pertinent part of
 EH>> the First Amendment addressing the limit on government.

 DC> And your cult is equally contrained from being in gvt.

Good grief. Do you even understand what I have said? The limit is on government
(on Congress actually) and only government. There are several very religious
men in Congress. They all agree with me that government has no business
establishing a government religion or prohibiting religious people from freely
exercising their religion.

 EH>> That said, everyone, religious or non-religious has a say in how
 EH>> government can interact with them. The great thing about this country

 DC> Not when you attempt to foist off your views on others that don't buy
 DC> into your cult.

For crying out loud! What part of "Congress shall make no law respecting an
establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" do you
*NOT* understand?

 EH>> is that I have a right to my beliefs as much as you do to yours.
 EH>> The founders were mostly religious men who were well aware of how
 EH>> government has no business dictating what religion they observed. That
 EH>> is why they put the restriction on government and not on religion.

 DC> Ed, get it through your head that gvt is not there to provide a forum
 DC> for your cult.  It's there to protect others from your cult and vis
 DC> versa.

Are you really this ignorant or is this just an act? You have been basically
agreeing with me. Except that you think the Constitution has some sort of
restriction on my Church. The restriction is on government. With that
restriction in place, you don't have to worry about the establishment of a
state religion nor do you have to worry about government restricting your
beliefs.

This government is set up so that everyone has a voice on how they want
government to interact with them. You have no more rights than I do regardless
of what our respective beliefs are.

Ed

-- 
"Wise politicians will be cautious about fettering the government with
restrictions that cannot be observed, because they know that every
break of the fundamental laws, though dictated by necessity, impairs
that sacred reverence which ought to be maintained in the breast of
rulers towards the constitution of a country."

--Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 25, 21 December 1787

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