Tillbaka till svenska Fidonet
English   Information   Debug  
FNEWS_PUBLISH   4408
FN_SYSOP   41678
FN_SYSOP_OLD1   71952
FTP_FIDO   0/2
FTSC_PUBLIC   0/13599
FUNNY   0/4886
GENEALOGY.EUR   0/71
GET_INFO   105
GOLDED   0/408
HAM   0/16070
HOLYSMOKE   6477/6791
HOT_SITES   0/1
HTMLEDIT   0/71
HUB203   466
HUB_100   264
HUB_400   39
HUMOR   0/29
IC   0/2851
INTERNET   0/424
INTERUSER   0/3
IP_CONNECT   719
JAMNNTPD   0/233
JAMTLAND   0/47
KATTY_KORNER   0/41
LAN   0/16
LINUX-USER   0/19
LINUXHELP   0/1155
LINUX   0/22092
LINUX_BBS   0/957
mail   18.68
mail_fore_ok   249
MENSA   0/341
MODERATOR   0/102
MONTE   0/992
MOSCOW_OKLAHOMA   0/1245
MUFFIN   0/783
MUSIC   0/321
N203_STAT   926
N203_SYSCHAT   313
NET203   321
NET204   69
NET_DEV   0/10
NORD.ADMIN   0/101
NORD.CHAT   0/2572
NORD.FIDONET   189
NORD.HARDWARE   0/28
NORD.KULTUR   0/114
NORD.PROG   0/32
NORD.SOFTWARE   0/88
NORD.TEKNIK   0/58
NORD   0/453
OCCULT_CHAT   0/93
OS2BBS   0/787
OS2DOSBBS   0/580
OS2HW   0/42
OS2INET   0/37
OS2LAN   0/134
OS2PROG   0/36
OS2REXX   0/113
OS2USER-L   207
OS2   0/4786
OSDEBATE   0/18996
PASCAL   0/490
PERL   0/457
PHP   0/45
POINTS   0/405
POLITICS   0/29554
POL_INC   0/14731
PSION   103
R20_ADMIN   1121
R20_AMATORRADIO   0/2
R20_BEST_OF_FIDONET   13
R20_CHAT   0/893
R20_DEPP   0/3
R20_DEV   399
R20_ECHO2   1379
R20_ECHOPRES   0/35
R20_ESTAT   0/719
R20_FIDONETPROG...
...RAM.MYPOINT
  0/2
R20_FIDONETPROGRAM   0/22
R20_FIDONET   0/248
R20_FILEFIND   0/24
R20_FILEFOUND   0/22
R20_HIFI   0/3
R20_INFO2   3218
R20_INTERNET   0/12940
R20_INTRESSE   0/60
R20_INTR_KOM   0/99
R20_KANDIDAT.CHAT   42
R20_KANDIDAT   28
R20_KOM_DEV   112
R20_KONTROLL   0/13270
R20_KORSET   0/18
R20_LOKALTRAFIK   0/24
R20_MODERATOR   0/1852
R20_NC   76
R20_NET200   245
R20_NETWORK.OTH...
...ERNETS
  0/13
R20_OPERATIVSYS...
...TEM.LINUX
  0/44
R20_PROGRAMVAROR   0/1
R20_REC2NEC   534
R20_SFOSM   0/340
R20_SF   0/108
R20_SPRAK.ENGLISH   0/1
R20_SQUISH   107
R20_TEST   2
R20_WORST_OF_FIDONET   12
RAR   0/9
RA_MULTI   106
RA_UTIL   0/162
REGCON.EUR   0/2056
REGCON   0/13
SCIENCE   0/1206
SF   0/239
SHAREWARE_SUPPORT   0/5146
SHAREWRE   0/14
SIMPSONS   0/169
STATS_OLD1   0/2539.065
STATS_OLD2   0/2530
STATS_OLD3   0/2395.095
STATS_OLD4   0/1692.25
SURVIVOR   0/495
SYSOPS_CORNER   0/3
SYSOP   0/84
TAGLINES   0/112
TEAMOS2   0/4530
TECH   0/2617
TEST.444   0/105
TRAPDOOR   0/19
TREK   0/755
TUB   0/290
UFO   0/40
UNIX   0/1316
USA_EURLINK   0/102
USR_MODEMS   0/1
VATICAN   0/2740
VIETNAM_VETS   0/14
VIRUS   0/378
VIRUS_INFO   0/201
VISUAL_BASIC   0/473
WHITEHOUSE   0/5187
WIN2000   0/101
WIN32   0/30
WIN95   0/4288
WIN95_OLD1   0/70272
WINDOWS   0/1517
WWB_SYSOP   0/419
WWB_TECH   0/810
ZCC-PUBLIC   0/1
ZEC   4

 
4DOS   0/134
ABORTION   0/7
ALASKA_CHAT   0/506
ALLFIX_FILE   0/1313
ALLFIX_FILE_OLD1   0/7997
ALT_DOS   0/152
AMATEUR_RADIO   0/1039
AMIGASALE   0/14
AMIGA   0/331
AMIGA_INT   0/1
AMIGA_PROG   0/20
AMIGA_SYSOP   0/26
ANIME   0/15
ARGUS   0/924
ASCII_ART   0/340
ASIAN_LINK   0/651
ASTRONOMY   0/417
AUDIO   0/92
AUTOMOBILE_RACING   0/105
BABYLON5   0/17862
BAG   135
BATPOWER   0/361
BBBS.ENGLISH   0/382
BBSLAW   0/109
BBS_ADS   0/5290
BBS_INTERNET   0/507
BIBLE   0/3563
BINKD   0/1119
BINKLEY   0/215
BLUEWAVE   0/2173
CABLE_MODEMS   0/25
CBM   0/46
CDRECORD   0/66
CDROM   0/20
CLASSIC_COMPUTER   0/378
COMICS   0/15
CONSPRCY   0/899
COOKING   32896
COOKING_OLD1   0/24719
COOKING_OLD2   0/40862
COOKING_OLD3   0/37489
COOKING_OLD4   0/35496
COOKING_OLD5   9370
C_ECHO   0/189
C_PLUSPLUS   0/31
DIRTY_DOZEN   0/201
DOORGAMES   0/2056
DOS_INTERNET   0/196
duplikat   6002
ECHOLIST   0/18295
EC_SUPPORT   0/318
ELECTRONICS   0/359
ELEKTRONIK.GER   1534
ENET.LINGUISTIC   0/13
ENET.POLITICS   0/4
ENET.SOFT   0/11701
ENET.SYSOP   33903
ENET.TALKS   0/32
ENGLISH_TUTOR   0/2000
EVOLUTION   0/1335
FDECHO   0/217
FDN_ANNOUNCE   0/7068
FIDONEWS   24126
FIDONEWS_OLD1   0/49742
FIDONEWS_OLD2   0/35949
FIDONEWS_OLD3   0/30874
FIDONEWS_OLD4   0/37224
FIDO_SYSOP   12852
FIDO_UTIL   0/180
FILEFIND   0/209
FILEGATE   0/212
FILM   0/18
Möte HOLYSMOKE, 6791 texter
 lista första sista föregående nästa
Text 6381, 139 rader
Skriven 2009-05-19 20:03:40 av JOHNJWILSON (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av ED HULETT
Ärende: HELLO?
==============
-> 
->  ->>>> No, it is life and death, whether you like it or not.
-> 
->  J>>> It's like getting a tooth pulled.
-> 
-> 
->  RS>>>>> You remember what abortion was like, *PRIOR* to Roe V. Wade?
->  RS>>>>> A hodgepodge of laws from state to state, with rich women
paying
->  RS>>>>> under the table or going on "European Vacations."
->  RS>>>>> And poor women died.
->  J>>> This was true when I was growing up.
-> 
->  ->> Fewer women got abortions back then.
->  J> Perhaps. As it was a scandalous illegal act, fewer were reported.
-> 
-> So, how do you know what Sauer said was true when you were growing up?

I stand corrected. What I should have said is 'that is what I heard, read
and got the impression of in my youth. I was wrong about a lot of things
when I was young.


-> 
->  ->>>> That makes no sense.  What they want is life.  You distort the
->  J> issue so
->  ->>>> that you can sleep well at night...
-> 
->  J>>> THAT is worth my consideration...:-|
-> 
->  J>>>   In none of your response did you show
->  ->>>> any concern for the unborn.  None at all.  That is telling.
-> 
->  J>>> Yep. A child is born alive when the first breath of air is taken.
-> 
->  ->> It is alive long before that.
-> 
->  J> :-) My birth certificate says: "Born alive"
-> 
-> I certainly hope so.

:-) I read it with some relief. :-)

-> 
-> Obviously you weren't dead in the womb.
There was no "I" in the womb. There was a mechanism, assembling, becoming
usable. The engine started when it started to breathe. Then senses
conjoined and neurons flowed with input from surroundings..._I_ came into
existence sometime later...
-> 
-> 
->  J>>> Prior to that it is just a bunch of interesting collections of
->  J> molecules...
-> 
->  ->> That's what those who want to dehumanize the unborn in order to
sleep
->  J> better at
->  ->> night.
->  J> Well, I sleep very well, without a thought concerning abortion. :-)
-> 
-> Good for you.
-> 
->  J> And, awake, have no desire for an unwanted child to be brought into
this
->  J> world. Or forcing any woman to do so.
-> 
-> Ah yes, death is better than being wanted...

Abortion is a sad decision, IMO to be made by the woman.


-> And we can't force those women to
-> take responsibility for their actions.

What is puzzling to me is that those who protest loudly against abortions
because it is interfering with God (Or The Natural Order of things)...
generally make exception in the case of rape or incest...God, it seems
would agree with THOSE abortions...(Or bodies who naturally abort...)

 
-> Fine, but please come into the discussion honestly and admit that
abortion is
-> ending a human life.

I honestly don't believe that. It is the termination of a pregnancy. 
A human life has not begun.

 
->  ->> It isn't Catholic dogma.
->  J> It most certainly is.
-> 
-> No, it is not.

So you think. I believe erroneously. I've talked to a few priests and a few
parishioners and read some that indicate otherwise. 
-> 
 
->...So you also think we should unplug all those accident victims on life
-> support too if they aren't convenient?
All? No. Some? Depends. If the neuron aren't firing...there's no one there. 
 
-> We differ in a lot of things.

Yep.

 
->  J>>> economic slavery .... the choice of Leo Strauss and the neocons...
-> 
->  ->> "[E]conomic slavery?"
->  J> Yes. Absolute servitude to the elitists.

-> 
-> You mean like...

I don't 'mean like anything other than what I've said.
Nothing in the current administration has anything to do with the Political
Philosophy of Leo Strauss. (Which as interpreted by the Neocons is scary as
hell.

(Tangential, and redefining of elite):

-> .... serving Obama and his elitist administration? Where is having the
-> authority to fire the CEO of a corporation in the Constitution? Where is
the
-> authority for forcing another corporation to merge with another?

The same authority that FDR has in closing the banks, introducing Social
Security et cetera...

-> 
-> Is it not elitist for the director of Homeland Security to release an
advisory
-> labeling anyone who disagrees with the president a right-wing extremist
and
-> potential terrorist?
Couldn't find that: I Googled "Homeland security" got a LOT of information
there...where is your source? It seem HIGHLY unlikely...
--- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v3.0pr5
 * Origin: Doc's Place BBS Fido Since 1991 docsplace.tzo.com (1:123/140)