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Skriven 2010-10-11 13:11:00 av TIM RICHARDSON (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av ROSS SAUER
Ärende: Is Fred Phelps a Christia
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On 10-10-10, ROSS SAUER said to TIM RICHARDSON:



TR> I've explained this to you before, many times, but you are too
TR> thick-headed to catch on. You let your religion-hatred get in the way
TR> of your common sense, a problem that seems to be pretty ingrained with
TR> your type.


TR> However.......I'll try again.


TR> To be a Christian means to be `Christ-like'.


RS>Does being "Christ-like" include hatred based on religion?


Obviously, you have never studied the New Testament and the life of Jesus
Christ, you are just shotgunning bullshit out there. Which is one of the
*many* reasons you are considered inconsequential.


RS>Because I keep seeing self-proclaimed Christians, including yourself,
RS>spew absolute hatred of *ALL* Muslims.


Secondly, you are a bald-faced liar. You get these little images of what
others think or opine, and you post them out here and try to force
the person you are targeting at the moment into `that' image as `what they
are'. A trick Klahn employs on a pretty regular basis, which is one of the
reasons I don't ever talk to him. He's a jerk. So are you.


Oh, and by the way.....I have more than once pointed out that *I* am not
exactly what you'd call a "Christian". I align with Christians because they
are not only good people, and enrich my life in ways that like...say...you or
Klahn, for instance, do not. I would align with Christians any day of the week
before I'd *ever* align with the likes of you.


TR> Studying Christ and his life and ministry, you see a way of living
TR> that is non-violent, non-criminal, and deeply charitable.


RS>You mean like the megachurch preachers who preach about how sick our
RS>society is, yet they are so corrupt they stink on ice?


You surely know how to read, and you are aware at this point in your life that
words mean things.


So.....when you read that sentence of mine up these that says:


"Studying Christ and his life and ministry, you see a way of living that is
non-violent, non-criminal, and deeply charitable." ....


Quite obviously I was talking about *Christ-like* behavior.


As for those you call "megachurch preachers who preach about how sick our
society is.....", I am not the one who judges their activities, nor am I
responsible for what  they ascribe to their particular version of
`Christianity'. That is left to Another of much Higher Authority than I.


I do not take part in their megachurch, nor do I support them with money or
verbal endorsement.


`They' are ultimately responsible for what they do, not I.


So you can take me out of your little scenario.


RS>> Osama Bin Laden is described as a Muslim.
RS>> Meir Kahane was described as a Jew.


TR> Studying the life of Mohommad, you see a life of anger,
TR> forced-conversion, war, death, slavery, demeaning of women, hatred.


RS>Studying the life of Moses and the other "heroes" of the Old Testament,
RS>you see the same thing.


Again.....you obviously know nothing about the bible, either the old testament
or the new.


TR> Osama bin Laden is a Muslim. Islam is about conquering, slavery, hate,
TR> suicide, war, .........


RS>Likewise the Old Testament.


We do not live in the days of the old testament. This is the 21st century. All
new norms and customs govern people who live today than several thousand years
ago.


TR> I have a question for you:


TR> Each time someone brings up the fact that the world of Islam is trying
TR> to force their `world' on the rest of the world......Klahn or you, his
TR> sock puppet, pop up with `well.....it isn't *all* Muslims, only a
TR> select few. The rest of the Muslim world is against that'....or words
TR> along that line.


RS>Oh, and Christians aren't?


It wasn't Christians who hijacked jumbo jets and flew them into the World
Trade Center and the Pentagon, murdering thousands of Americans in a suicide
attack.


It was Muslims.


Where the world may have been outraged at it, the Muslim world has been
strangely silent on condemning the radical muslim terrorists who roam the
world murdering people in the name of Islam.


It is said that many `good' Muslims do condemn those who did 9\11.


Really? Where are they? We keep `hearing' about them from different people..
....but where are they? Why are they so silent?


RS>One of the heads of the Southern Baptists wants yoga outlawed, since it
RS>has elements of Eastern religions in it sometimes.


When the Southern Baptists get it on a ballot, and it ends up in the Supreme
Court.......get back to me.


RS>Also look up "Christian Reconstructionism," and "Dominionism."


`Reconstructionism' really has nothing whatever to do with your line of
argument. I know what it is, and you obviously don't.


By the way......neither does `Dominionism'.


RS>Then tell me again how only Muslims want to take over the world.


You are off here by several orders of magnitude. You better stop digging.


TR> If this is true......where (oh...where!) is all this outrage from the
TR> part of the Muslim world who are against the violence? I haven't seen
TR> any. Have you?


RS>Yes, in the Sufi Muslim faith.



Oh really? You'd be the only one, then, `cause I haven't seen any outrage from
Muslims.


When one of these ragheaded imams issues a death sentence for someone who drew
a cartoon `dissing' Mohommad, where was the outrage? Why isn't the U.S. press
jumping all over it? We have a reporter here in the US in hiding with her
whole family because of a death sentence issued by a raghead in a foreign
country! Where's the outrage!


RS>> Also, should the 1rst Amendment apply to Phelps' stunts?


TR> The 1st Amendment applies to everyone.


RS>> I say it does, since the same people that censor Phelps, can sensor
RS> anyone else for any reason.


TR> Do you think some soldiers attending a funeral for a fallen comrade,
TR> should surround a few of the pukes holding the signs and shouting vile
TR> insults at their comrade's family, and beat the shit out of them?


RS>No.


RS>It gives Phelps grounds for lawsuits, and that is how he and his brood
RS>make money.


RS>It also is free speech suppressed by a mob.


What `mob'? Unless you mean Phelp's `mob' waving the hate signs and shouting
`hate' speech. One of the Phelp's group'd be bound to swing a sign at a
soldier's face or head, and the reaction would be self-defense in a mutual
combat situation. If it were a platoon of Marines from Camp Pendelton, or a
platoon of Navy Seals.....all the better. I'd have no problem with it.


Or all the better......get up in a sign-waver's face `Drill Sergeant' style,
and shout stuff like `YOU LITTLE MAGGOT! YOU COWARDLY EXCUSE OF AN AMERICAN!
YOU LEFTIST PIECE OF PIG DUNG! YOU JOCK-STRAP-SUCKIN` PUNK!'


See now......thats also protected speech......even if it `is' true! And I'd
have no proble with that, either.


But none of that's gonna happen. I wouldn't initiate any of that for the same
reasons I have objections to what Phelps and his bunch are doing; simple
common decency. A trait the leftwing democrats appear to lack.


See......if it were a funeral for some deserter who either made his way back
to the US from a war zone after going AWOL, or some ass clown who was
virulently vocal against the war......and a bunch of people who believed in a
strong military, and a strong reaction to terrorist act, were standing nearby
waving signs in support of the war on terror at *their* funeral, the outrage
of the press and TV talking heads would be enormous!


With democrats in power....they'd be trying to pass even stricter `hate
speech' laws to cover that......probably get one or more through, to!


Let me ask you another question:


Some nutcase shoots and kills an abortion clinic doctor.


How many Christian churches organize large groups with anti-abortion signs to
picket that doctor's funeral, shouting insults at the family?  Or loudly
reading off the names of the `mothers' who's pregnancies the dearly departed
doctor ended with his\or\her abortion procedure?


I wouldn't do that, either, but........would that be jake with you?



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