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Skriven 2006-05-10 09:46:23 av Roy Witt (1:1/22)
   Kommentar till text 1060 av Vladimir Donskoy (2:5020/2992)
Ärende: Situation on R2:50
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10 May 06 12:11, Vladimir Donskoy wrote to Roy Witt:

 VD>>>>>>> 1.2.5 - "Zone Coordinators are selected by the Regional
 VD>>>>>>> Coordinators in that zone."
 RW>>>>>> The word 'selected' means the same as appointed. Not elected.
 VD>>>>> Who can "appoint" ZC? So - it is elections... But means I
 VD>>>>> understand.
 RW>>>> The RCs in council choose and appoint the ZC, they're known as the
 RW>>>> RCC. They vote, but it's not an election per se', it's a
 RW>>>> selection.
 VD>>> OK, "RCC" is your term.

 RW>> Read Section 6.2 about 'selection'...

 VD> Next 2 strings...

 VD>>>>>>> 6.2 - "The Zone Coordinator is selected by an absolute majority
 VD>>>>>>> vote of the Regional Coordinators within the zone."

 VD> Where is term "RCC"? Where is our "Conclave" (like as ZCC)?

There isn't any mention of an RCC, per se', but one can conclude that
there can be an RCC by the wording of the above quote in 6.2... There has
been a RCC in Z1 for many years. Z1's RCC has in the past, run the Z1C
elections and have taken the votes of the sysops, represented by the
singular vote of their NCs, to collectively 'select' the ZC.

 RW>>>> Only by RCC. The IC has nothing to do with it and is merely
 RW>>>> another ZC and is equal, but not higher than the rest of the ZCs,
 RW>>>> per policy.

 VD>>> So - it is impossible: RCC of Z2 not want any changes.

 RW>> Well, if you look at the regions in Z2, you can see that there are
 RW>> 'dead' regions with only an RC and no nets in the region. That's
 RW>> called Z2C nodelist stuffing, just to thwart this sort of thing.
 RW>> Thus, why you need a one sysop, one vote election.

 VD> So - Z2C is not working, but I know it very long time...

So did I.

 VD>>> .. It want only same RCs, so - election Z2C by these RCs will start
 VD>>> splitting of zone. :-(

 VD>>> But Policy 1.2.7 write: "The International Coordinator acts as the
 VD>>> chair of the Zone Coordinator Council and as the overseer of
 VD>>> _elections_ -- arranging the announcement of referenda, the
 VD>>> collection and counting of the ballots, and announcing the results
 VD>>> for those issues that affect FidoNet as a whole."

 VD>>> What "elections" it mean?

 RW>> RCC policy referendum elections. Which in turn must be approved by
 RW>> the ZCC.

 VD> Where is "election" in the Policy referendum?

Election is implied by the wording. It takes a majority vote of the RCC to
implement a policy change. That 'selection' by the RCs is managed and
votes (selections) collected by the IC.

 VD> This is a selection - one variant from many! Have no mans who
 VD> "elected" to same place.

It's not a vote or selection of any *Cs...


Roy
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