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Skriven 2006-05-15 17:32:18 av Vladimir Donskoy (2:5020/2992)
   Kommentar till text 1203 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
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Hi Michiel!

Monday May 15 2006, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Vladimir Donskoy:

 MV>>> The gating into the InterNet has made what once was an asset: use
 MV>>> of real names only, into a liability.

 VD>> Yes, but un-anonymous at FIDO (one address for all) is make it easy.

 MV> Makes what easy?

Your identification, so - collection information about you.

 VD>> But let think about it only criminals.

 MV> The argument that only criminals need anonimity has been used through all
 MV> times by people who would like to have control over others and it has been
 MV> debunked just as many times.

You very long live in the free country and have no information about "How to
live in not free country and most to be free?" which in Russia can remember
even (30-years old)...

 MV>>> Learn from the experience of others. In the past users wehere
 MV>>> limited to a few points to connect to the network. Long distance
 MV>>> calling cost prevented them from seeking a link far away from
 MV>>> home. This is no longer so where InterNet is widely available and
 MV>>> so it is difficult if not impossible to permanently cut off a
 MV>>> user. In a few years the situation at your end wil be like that
 MV>>> too.

 VD>> For nodes - may be, but for points - hardly.

 MV> For points and users it is even easier. They are not bound by policy, they
 MV> can simply find another boss or another BBS. They can even assume a new
 MV> name. No way to check that. There is always a way for the sufficiently
 MV> determined.

Yes, I agree.

 MV>>> Trust me, the big advantage of Fidonet: moderation is at an end.

 VD>> It is not follow by this!

 MV> It is the reality of 21th century FidoNet. Maybe you haven't quite kept up
 MV> yet, but that is just a matter of time.

In Internet moderation make by goverments (CIA, KGB - FSB, and so on). In FIDO
- moderators (peoples). But moderating maked and will make always.

 VD>>>>>> Second advantage FIDONET is basic absence of any necessity for
 VD>>>>>> continuous connection of the user to the Network:

 MV>>>>> Yes, that is how it was designed. But with a continues
 MV>>>>> connection, it works a lot better...

 VD>>>> Yes, but this is not necessary.

 MV>>> It is not necesary for usenet either. So it is not an advantage
 MV>>> specific for FidoNet.

 VD>> In INTERNET more peoples using Web-browsers not usenet.

 MV> Usenet is the IneterNet equivalent of FidoNet echomail.

As I see FIDO more equalent Internet forums. Usenet is equal to echomail but in
FODO also exist netmail and fileechoes, all of them exist in Internet forums.

 MV> Indeed more people
 MV> use web browsers than newsnet readers for usenet. That should make you
 MV> wonder why. Could it perhaps be that most people are not really that much
 MV> interested in what we claim is the main asset of FidoNet?

Many programms - many bugs.

 VD>>  For this permanent connection is necessary.

 MV> No, you don't.

 MV> BTW, it is a myth that only FidoNet allows moderation. On the contrary. It
 MV> is very easy to set up a closed newsgroup only accessible to users
 MV> registred with a username and password. Just set up a private news server.
 MV> He who controls the server, controls the access, so contrary to the
 MV> distributed anarchy in FidoNet, this system allows *enforceble*
 MV> moderation.

Analogue in FIDO - local private echo, with direct connections between its
subscribes.

 MV> The computer club that (HCC) that was instrumenTal in setting up FidoNet
 MV> in The Netherlands (net 500) and that used Fidonet for a means of
 MV> communication between their members, abandoNed FidoNet in - I think - 2001
 MV> and created a number of newsgroups using nntp technology. They are closed,
 MV> you need a user name and password - real names are required and they are
 MV> moderated. Fidonet style. And it *is* enforced.

But in another club (or newsgroup) you _must_ have another identificater which
may not equal the first ident. So - it is not equal FIDO-style identification
by unique address.

 MV>>>>> Again: that is how it *was*....

 VD>>>> I see this now, so - _is_.

 MV> That is because you do not look beyond your limited horizon. Try to look a
 MV> bit further. And listen to those ahead of you.

I see that it is exist. May be in the future it will not exist, but now - _is_.

 MV>>> On your side, maybe it still _is_. In a few years that too will
 MV>>> be history.

 VD>> May be, but we is living now.

 MV> You have to plan for the future...

Yes, I want have plan to all future in global for all Earth :-) !

Regards, Vladimir Donskoy

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