Text 1340, 93 rader
Skriven 2006-05-20 15:42:11 av Roy Witt (1:1/22)
   Kommentar till text 1335 av Philip Lozier (1:267/169)
Ärende: Immediate Action Require
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20 May 06 15:36, Philip Lozier wrote to Roy Witt:


 PL>>> What I find a lack of is software help.  As far as proceedure wise,
 PL>>> typing a search on the internet for "joining fidonet", "how to join
 PL>>> fidonet", and "join fidonet" produce a variety of different places
 PL>>> that tell you how to do it.

 RW>> However, that doesn't help the POTS user, which is Michiel's point.

 PL> Yes... I can understand that (unless the POTS user has a POTS
 PL> internet account).  In that case, if the POTS user was lucky enough
 PL> to have a dial-up Fidonet BBS in his/her area, even if the BBS didn't
 PL> have a fidonet information area, the user could always ask the SysOp
 PL> about it, or if that failed, ask in the echoes which they have
 PL> available.

And to make it easy on themsleves, ask anyone besides one who is running a
BBS using Wildcat software. That was the biggest POS going when I was
BBSing.

 PL> One thing I've noticed of new potential nodes is that they -never-
 PL> ask in the echoes. (???). They are trying to contact -this one- or
 PL> -that one- by other means.  I would think if somebody were seriously
 PL> interested in being a member node, that they would utilize the very
 PL> network they're interested in to find out how.

That's why they stick to the internet...plug and play vs config, config,
config, test, test, test, config, etc..

 PL>>> The most "to the point" one, I think, is
 PL>>> http://www.fidonet.ca/joinfido.htm

 PL>>> Other than software setup it is "step by step".  The first thing it
 PL>>> tells you is to get a basic knowledge of fidonet and your seftware,
 PL>>> and to get a copy of P4 and the current nodelist.  The rest
 PL>>> basicly, as it should be, leaves it up to the SysOp to follow the
 PL>>> "procedure" as set in P4.

 RW>> Years ago, I wrote an instruction article called Frontdoor for
 RW>> Idiots.
 RW>> Even Jack Yates used it to make his first Fidonet setup...

 PL> I would be VERY interested in seeing that... still have it?

Yeup...It's for FD202, the freeware version only. I'll dump it in your
inbound next ZMH...

 PL> There have been several "how to's" written that I've seen.
 PL> Unfortunately nnow very outdated :(

I looked at my archive the other day, it too is very outdated. c1996.

 PL>>> It lays out before the proceedure (the site) that it is wise to be
 PL>>> a user first on a FidoNet BBS first while getting to know your
 PL>>> software.

 RW>> The problem there is, you only get to learn the BBS software, or at
 RW>> best,
 RW>> point software. Knowledge gained from the latter would help if you
 RW>> were
 RW>> attempting to set up a mailer, however.

 PL>>> Other sites go more into the idea aside from application proceedure
 PL>>> that joining Fido is not to be taken lightly, and unless they are
 PL>>> willing to commit to the responsibilites entailed with being a
 PL>>> node, that they should be a FidoNet BBS user, or use a point
 PL>>> package, at least while gaining knowledge.

 RW>> Which is a turnoff to the new prospective member. Newbies usually
 RW>> want to
 RW>> dig in and bury themselves into this 'new' hobby.

 PL> Well... if somebody is interested in "newsgroups" they simply access
 PL> a server.  That newfound hobby of theirs doesn't make them scream to
 PL> run their own NNTP server though, does it?  I would think the
 PL> attraction should be participation in the discussions, and unless
 PL> they had a need to be a "full" node, such as operating a BBS, or
 PL> providing feeds to other nodes, or having points, that there is no
 PL> real -need- to be a node to participate in Fido.  Of course one who
 PL> would just -like- to be a node could, but that does involve work and
 PL> knowledge of the setup... one who is seriously interested in being a
 PL> node would find this stuff out.  That's why many sources say that
 PL> being a node is not to be taken lightly.

But there are places that nodes go and talk about in other echoes that a
user or point can't go...that's what I'm talking about. Our buddy, Frank,
for instance, would probably be delighted to have access to FN_SYSOP.


Roy
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