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Skriven 2006-04-24 11:21:00 av Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555)
    Kommentar till text 412 av Carol Shenkenberger (6:757/1)
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Hello Carol.

24 Apr 06 12:37, you wrote to me:

 CS>> It's my belief until shown otherwise, that Vladimir isnt lying

 MvdV>> I am not saying that he is lying.

 CS>> and that this 'referendum' was widely known in R50.

 MvdV>> That is just conjecture.

 CS> Conjecture, to 'guess'.  IE:  in your use of the wording, LIE.

Don't put words into my mouth. It was *you* that introduced the word "lie" into
the thread. I did not say Vladimir is lying and I am not saying that you are
and neither did I intend to. I merely say that your belief that the referendum
was widely known is based on conjecture. It may be or it may not. We simply do
not know.

 CS> I have no reason to believe Vladimir is lying

Neither have I and that is what I said.

 CS>  and that this 'referendum' was as widely known as he has stated.

He did *not* state that. What het stated was that it was announced in sysop
echos and that netmail was sent to every sysop. Vladimir made no statements
about how many actually read the mail or even received it. All he said was to
his estimate 15% of the nodelisted sysops was active.

The conclusion that his referendum was widely known in R50 is *yours* and
*yours* only. Don't construe a lie over what is basicAlly *your* jumping to
conclusions.

 CS> Vladimir may be a bit of a wild card, but he cares and isnt a liar as
 CS> far as i can tell.  I object to you making it look like he is.

I object to you making it look like I made it look like it is.

 CS> I suggest a far better way to learn about how he is thinking, is to
 CS> just ask him without insulting him internationally.

An insult is in the eye of the beholder. I had no intention of insulting him,
but if he is insulted by my words, he can speak for himself. Don't insult him
by suggesting otherwise. Neither me nor Vladimir needs you to tell us when the
one has insulted the other.

 CS> (Vlad, apologies.  I know you can stand on your own but am not sure if
 CS> you picked up that he insulted you.

If he didn't pick it up and none was intended, there *WAS* no insult. Please
stop construing conflict out of thin air and please stop trying to be the self
appointed mediator in a conflcit that exists only in your mind.

 CS> All the folks who use english as a first language though probably
 CS> picked up on it).

That is their problem. I intended no insult and if Vladimir did not perceive
what I wrote as an insult, there simply *is* no insult no matter what you or
any other native English speaker reads into it.

I know you mean well, but your interference is counter productive. Stay out of
this.


Michiel

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