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Skriven 2006-04-28 22:18:46 av Philip Lozier (1:267/169)
    Kommentar till text 652 av Vladimir Donskoy (2:5020/2992)
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 VD> I was ask you last year and have no your answer for now - what
 VD> document list (have) this? Is not exist FTS discribe it! So - all
 VD> of this is you private opinion, not true (not law). Every zone may
 VD> have all regional slots, not only 10!

As in the idea of the ZMH thing being "in the head", the regional allocations
in zones is very much the same.  It may have been documented at some point, but
nobody seems to be able to cite the document.

The idea is that as zones 1-6 are exclusic=ve zone numbers, so the regions with
a zone are exclusive, and nets as well.  Throughout FidoNet, no region or net
should have a counterpart within any other zone... misconfiguration could cause
havok with nodelist lookups on softwares.

The idea of a set number of regions within a zone goes towrds the "weight"
issue in voting where RC votes are concerned.  The "ckecks and measures" as
cited in policy.  No particular area gets the dominant stance. Balance.

Past the regional slots, within regions a set range of net numbers are set for
each region to avoid duplicates that may cause problems... when this little net
here almost died off about 6 years ago or so, Carol helped us bring it back. 
Upon revival I had asked Carol if we could reallocate it as net 518 (to reflect
our area code) and it was then explained to me how it worked and why that was
not possible.  I am not the technician of the design, but when expalined it
made soemwhat of sense to me.

 CS>> I've already had to disabuse a few folks that this means Z6 is no longer
 CS>> reserved for Fidonet use. To use it for R50 when I am here, means it will
 CS>> be a scheduled reasonable shift not a splinter of all R50.  To use it
 CS>> after I am gone, will be up to the ZCC.  The 'vote/referendum' showed me
 CS>> pretty clear that R50 doesnt want to change as a group, just a small
 CS>> portion of it and not suffienct support in R50 alone to cause the people
 CS>> there the problems that *will* ensue.

 VD> It is a pity, but as I and wrote it here - ignorance of internal
 VD> our circumstances has caused acceptance of the incorrect
 VD> (unreasoned) decision.
 VD> I already specified here percent of sysops which at us in general
 VD> participate in a public life (vote), and according to it this
 VD> interrogation was quite representative.

Present the idea again... no multiple choice responses,,, simple:

R50 moves as a whole to Z6 or not.  Simple.

The understanding is that you would recieve a certain number of slots for
nodelisting purposes.  What woulf be gained is at least 5 times better than
what you now have (as far as slots are concerned) as some regional slots would
need to be preserved for potential future use by other parts of Asia, yet, you
are STILL 5 times better off than before.  Maybe some areas not in use could be
allocated to R3 time zone wise to give you guys what you want, but you guys
have to play within the chalk lines too.

To take the idea as it seems to turn every net in the current region in a newly
aquired zone is ludicrous.  That is not at all realistic. More realistic is the
idea that your region aquires say 5 slotas in the new zone as regions.  Amongst
those regions the nets reorganize themselves and remove dead weight, and each
net uses the HUB struture within itself for easier administration.

One of the most misconcieved notions in the past has been that the "hub"
keyword was involved with echomail, when in fact the intent of it was for
handling host routed netmail within a net.  This would suit you guys to a tee
if properly used.

R50 migrates to Z6... say 5 reions... nets within the regions use the hub
system for administration and effectively the hub operators are co-NC's within
the nets and administration tasks allocated are made easier all around... nets
within the main net.

Maybe I'm not explaining properly (too much Beck's right now you know) but I
have it in my head.  Netmail me tommorow and I'll likely be able to explain it
better as I see it.

BTW... I have two Russians in my net who now reside in NY... formerly Fido
nodes in Russia... at least one used to be R50, maybe both but I'm not sure.

I have also noted that in the past few days that several Russian origins have
been logging into my BBS to check it out.  I attribute it to my open
willingness to dodge the nay sayers and support what you guys want.  For all
those who support your stance and want your own independance that you deserve
in FidoNet, I just want you to know you have a freind on this side
of the globe.

Phil

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