Text 12950, 109 rader
Skriven 2009-07-15 19:06:23 av Ed Hulett (1:123/789.0)
  Kommentar till text 12948 av Ross Cassell (1:123/456)
Ärende: keep a knockin' but you can't come in
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Ross Cassell -> Maurice Kinal wrote:
 RC> Hello Maurice!

 RC> 14 Jul 09 23:41, you wrote to me:

 >>> I disagree, the terminal is quite adequate

 MK>> What does your 'echo $TERM' report?  So far all Ubuntu users report it
 MK>> coming up empty.

 RC> Linux

My LinuxMint box here says "xterm."

 >>> Right now I am typing this message from my console based Fido
 >>> client in a ssh session.

 MK>> That's an excellent idea.  I dumped the message I am replying to using
 MK>> a simular startegy.  What Fido client?

 RC> I am ssh'ing in using ZOC, which I wouldnt do if had more real estate
 RC> for keyboards and monitors at eye level. The monitors for the linux
 RC> boxes are attached to those swing arms, which are perched above my
 RC> primary monitors. I do have Synergy installed which allows me to control
 RC> the Linux GUI desktop with my keyboard/mouse, by simply moving the mouse
 RC> off certain edges of the screen, but I'd get a crick in my neck, so ssh
 RC> is a pretty decent option.

You could really go headless on your linux box.

 RC> I use Golded for reading Fidonet and the Husky software for the behind
 RC> the scene tossing.

 >>> Are you saying there are certain linux commands I am not
 >>> supposed to be able to invoke? :-)

 MK>> Not at all.  I simply stated that Ubuntu users aren't exactly up to
 MK>> speed when it comes to the good stuff.  As a general rule they seem to
 MK>> have trouble with the iconized stuff, nevermind giving themselves a
 MK>> proper terminal or even know what to do with a proper terminal if they
 MK>> manage to override the crippled GUI terminal.  Isn't it called
 MK>> Terminal? Some silly Gnome thingy if I am not mistaken.  They can keep
 MK>> it.

 RC> This may surprise you but I do most of the linux stuff from the ssh
 RC> console.

 RC> The desktops have a term window open which I use to run multitail to
 RC> follow some key Fidonet Logs. Then I also have Gkrellm up to monitor
 RC> system resources, all for mostly at a glance purposes.

 >>> Xandros and Ubuntu are attempts to lure away the Windows faithful

 MK>> Why?  I've never understood that need.

 RC> Would someone with limited computing experience with no inclination to
 RC> better that experience beyond turning on the power switch, be capable of
 RC> running your copy of Linux?

Some people would rather that Linux stay a small closed community so they can
feel superior. I'm not saying Maurice feels that way, I'm just saying I've
witnessed such attitudes in the years I've been running Linux. It was that way
soon after Linus first released the kernel into the wild and it has remained
that way ever since.

It's more than likely a holdover from Unix.

I would rather introduce people to the freedom of open-source and security of
Linux than to treat them as inferior.

 RC> Xandros and Ubuntu have made decent attempts to give a sense of
 RC> familiarity to users of this variety.

The trouble with Xandros is that it is a commercial product and requires users
to pay for everything they could get for free by using most other distros.
Plus, Xandros uses their own custom version of KDE.

I have moved from Ubuntu to LinuxMint. I have used Slackware, Red Hat,
Mandrake/Mandriva, Fedora, Suse, Debian and even Yggdrasil.

It's amusing to witness the holy wars between the various distro adherents.

 >>>> Complacency and/or ignorance.

 MK>>> What's the difference?

 >>> One is over confidence, the other doesnt know any better.

 MK>> Don't both lead to the same end result?

 RC> They lead to the same result but are different pathways.

So, in the end, there isn't much difference. ;-)

Ed

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