Text 20673, 73 rader
Skriven 2020-09-15 07:35:00 av Dan Clough (813.fido_linux)
  Kommentar till text 20672 av Richard Falken (812.fido_linux)
Ärende: Re: Slackware 15.0
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-=> Richard Falken wrote to Dan Clough <=-

 > I may give it (Devuan) another look one of these days.  I do like
 > Debian and it's offspring fairly well.  Never cared much for the
 > BSD's, although only ever tried the FreeBSD variant and that was
 > long ago.  Never really saw the point of it - what does it do any
 > better than Linux...?

 RF> FreeBSD used to have proper jails and great ZFS integration, but
 RF> I don't know how great of an advantage it has on those fields
 RF> these days.

 RF> What OpenBSD does is to feel less insane than the others. To
 RF> begin with, it has less cruft going on. If you don'tknow how
 RF> something works, it is easier to figure it out form the source
 RF> code than it is from the source code of some of the alternatives.
 RF> Not that you are likely to need it since everything is well
 RF> documented.

 RF> Traditionally risky daemons are chrooted and subject to privilege
 RF> deprivation. BSD Auth is easier to understand and work with than
 RF> something like PAM. The TCP stack you would have to harden after
 RF> every Linux install is set with sane defaults in OpenBSD.

 RF> Also, it comes with software enough to build your own packaging
 RF> compiling cluster. The port system is so fun to break havoc with
 RF> :-)

 RF> Cherry on the top: the OpenBSD comunity has a reputation of being
 RF> composed of unfriendly bastards. I think that reputation is
 RF> overblown, but they really have an Iron Fist of Death when
 RF> dealing with drama. Anybody strong enough to remain active in the
 RF> community is granted to really care for the OS - ie. if you pop
 RF> up in the IRC channel you are likely to find people who LIVES
 RF> OpenBSD, as opposed to self-entitled brats you often find in some
 RF> forums.

 RF> Oh, and OpenBSD has PF. Some people prefers it over Linux packet
 RF> filtering interfaces. It is a matter of taste, really. Same with
 RF> the default smtp daemon or httpd. Those are a delight to work
 RF> with and are so much logical and preasurable to configure than
 RF> the minastream ones you'd find in the Linux world.

 RF> IMO you could do what you do with an OpenBSD with a Linux, but
 RF> when deploying some paket forwarder or small server, or a small
 RF> web service, OpenBSD gives you less post-instll work to do and
 RF> the whole thing seems more logical in general. I mean, the
 RF> Filesystem Hierarchy the Linux world routinely rapes.... you
 RF> suggest putting the wrong file in the worng place in the OpenBSD
 RF> world and they will send Skynet for you.

 RF> That said, OpenBSD has its own bunch of problems, like lacking
 RF> proper cow for the filesystem. They also lack a MAC framework -
 RF> they have other ways to mitigate break-ins, exploits, and what a
 RF> program may access, but you won't find SElinux or AppArmor
 RF> capabilities at kernel level.

 RF> I think that pretty much sums it up.

Thanks for that info, good insight there.  It (OpenBSD) interests 
me some, but frankly, I don't have the time nor motivation to go 
through the learning curve for something that does pretty much 
what I already know how to do...  That was kinda my point - if I 
was a Windoze guy looking to move to the *nix world, perhaps it 
would make good sense.  But as an experienced Linux guy, well.... 
not so much.  Appreciate you taking the time to write that up!



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