Text 3295, 126 rader
Skriven 2005-09-19 10:08:00 av MARTIN ATKINS (1:123/140)
     Kommentar till en text av CHARLES ANGELICH
Ärende: Linspire 5.0
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 * Originally in: WIN95
 * Originally on: 09-16-05 22:15
 * Originally by: CHARLES ANGELICH
 * Originally to: MARTIN ATKINS

Hello Martin - 

CA>>> When a poor man steals it might be that there is no
CA>>> justice in the land. When a man who is _not_ poor steals
CA>>> it is always because there is no justice in the man. 

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MA> I am no expert but coming from a DOS/Win background i do
MA> believe i understand the difficulties involved in starting
MA> on the road to Linux. 

CA> 89.9% (allowing for Apple users) of all people who have used
CA> personal computers for more than just a few years have come
CA> "from a DOS/Win background". 

You are overlooking UNIX many who have migrated to open source.
Anyway I don't see your point. I simply stated i am sympathetic
to those who wish to move from DOS/Win to Linux. Problem?

"CS>>> 2. Obtaining and installing software. 

CS>>> If anyone is interested, I can show them how to legally
CS>>> overcome 2 above without using the pay service. Either
CS>>> send me email or post a question to me in the Linux echo." 

CA>> Sure sounds like offering assistance to avoid paying any
CA>> monies to Linspire even though it is one of the ways
CA>> Linspire tries to make a few pesos. If I could find a way
CA>> to stop YOUR paychecks and offer it as 'advice' here on
CA>> FIDO you'd chant a different mantra I suspect? 

MA> For a start Charles Scaglione is offering to help Obtaining
MA> and installing software and in the next line he states he
MA> will show them how to do it legally. 

CA> The 'offer' follows closely on the heels of a flurry of
CA> discussion about Linspire offering free downloads. The timing
CA> if also a factor. Lack of any appreciation whatsoever? 

Not really. Redhat(Fedora), Mandrake are just two of the public 
releases made by organizations that hope to profit from open source. 
I applaud them all for making Linux accessible to those who would 
find it difficult to build a system from scratch.

MA> This is not unusual in the open source world. Let's for the
MA> time being assume Linspire is entirely open source, then
MA> all they have done is bundle other peoples hard work at no
MA> cost to them other than time. 

CA> I recall mention that the Linspire version of wine did a better
CA> job of executing Windows software but have heard next to
CA> nothing about that for some time now. AFAIK Linspire involved
CA> some 'customization' prior to it's release. 

So what? Most public releases are customized. Linux is a customizationaly
rich environment.

MA> Some would accuse them of being nothing more than parasites. 

CA> Those who accepted the offer of a free copy of the Linspire OS
CA> then began lusting after more free software seem more parasitic
CA> to me than Linspire does. None of these people have contributed
CA> anything to opensource linux, they just want to collect as much
CA> of it as they can get for free. 

Some move Linux 'cos they can't afford or are sick to death of Microsoft. 
They can play a part by reporting bugs, testing new releases of apps
or just becoming a part of the growing community of open source users.
Some may promote Linux by helping others to over come their fear of
moving to another platform. Or they may even contribute by helping
with the daunting task of documenting various aspects of open source
software. There is no requirment for them to pay under the open source
licence.  

MA> This is not my view. I do not believe that making money
MA> from bundling is immoral. Mandriva, Redhat, Suse and others
MA> do it. I say more power to them if it makes Linux more
MA> usable to the general public but if they do that they must
MA> play by the open source rules or get out the game. 

MA> I do not receive my pay check by piggy backing off the free
MA> labour of others. 

CA> Odd thing is, Charles Scaglione _does_ do just that for his
CA> 'paycheck'. 

I don't know how Charles Scaglione derives his income but it says
volumes about you that you should say such things because he does
what most Linux user strive to do and hacks code or scripts.
Do you enjoy being the most twitted person in WIN95?

MA> I would be interested to know if Linspire has a licensing
MA> clause with their public release. Linspire has already been
MA> in hot water when it came to grief with Microsoft as
MA> Lindows. Seems they have no moral scruples when it comes to
MA> free loading of anothers name. :-} 

CA> I don't consider squabbling with M$ over a portion of their
CA> name has a great deal of relevance. For me, it made M$ seem
CA> petty. 

Of course Microsoft was being petty. It is just many of the corporations
many ugly traits. It doesn't alter the fact that Lindows was trying to
capitalize on a trade marked name. Ironically it's one of the reasons
i have never taken an interest in it.

Through out this thread you have tried to take the moral high ground
by accusing others of being free loaders. You have been using 
docsplace for some years and as far as i know you have not contributed
one penny towards its upkeep. You may have your reasons. Perhaps you
are on a pension or have a disability. What ever the reason i think
you have the bare faced guile of a hypocrite to lecture others about
sponging of other peoples labours.

L8r.

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