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Skriven 2004-10-21 11:12:00 av Gary Wiltshire (1:379/45)
   Kommentar till text 1002 av Adam Flinton (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: Article on WIPO & the public good
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From: "Gary Wiltshire" <gaw@sover.net>

On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:22:31 +0100, Adam Flinton
<adam_NO_@_SPAM_softfab.com> wrote:

> Gary Wiltshire wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 22:59:18 +0100, Adam Flinton
>> <adam@NOSPAM_softfab.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> Gary Wiltshire wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:13:01 +0100, Adam Flinton
>>>> <adam@NOSPAM_softfab.com>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Gary Wiltshire wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:13:36 +0100, Adam Flinton
>>>>>> <adam_NO_@_SPAM_softfab.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gary Wiltshire wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fuck yes, I own what I create.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually no you don't. The public own it & you get a temporary
>>>>>>> period  of  monopoly over it in order for you to derive some
>>>>>>> monetary  compensation  from the market.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The moment what I create is not protected  I will not create.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Astonishing that there was any literature or music or science
>>>>>>> or    philosophy etc.etc. created before the WIPO existed isn't it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Shakespeare, Cicero, Ovid, Pope, Faraday et al must have been
>>>>>>> driven  by  a different motive than money.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   There wasn't a hundredth the volume of work in those times that
>>>>>> there  is  today.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well d'oh.
>>>>>
>>>>> (A) Most will have gone (much as most of what's being produced now
>>>>> will  be gone).
>>>>>
>>>>> (B) Copying used to be making a copy by hand. Quite hard to do in
>>>>> volume. Then along came the printing press. Now one man can copy
>>>>> 50   books in digital form to cd in seconds.
>>>>>
>>>>> In some places that used to be refered to as "progress".
>>>>>
>>>>> (C) There are vastly more people in part because of
>>>>>
>>>>> (D) the massively greater availability of food meaning that people
>>>>> have  vastly more "non food-gathering time" e.g. to write books or
>>>>> computer  programs.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> However I'd like you to point out a single man who has discovered
>>>>> as   much as say Faraday or Edison & has been born since WW2.
>>>>>
>>>>> i.e. the quality might be declining as the quantity grows.
>>>>>
>>>>> Adam
>>>>
>>>>   Edison did not discover that much.  Faraday I might grant you.
>>>> The   importance of (since you chose the example) a physicist's work
>>>> is   frequently not known until decades later.  We are in a
>>>> scientific and   cultural golden age.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gee where's my "air car"?
>>>
>>> Jet pack?
>>>
>>> Space hotel?
>>>
>>> Moon Base?
>>>
>>> Airliners are going slower than they used to. With the exception of
>>> some  trains, transport is slower now than it was.
>>>
>>> Nuclear power? Been around for decades & yet nothing much has changed.
>>>
>>> Anti-biotics? Little critters are evolving resistance.
>>>
>>> We are in a global melting pot at the moment. The first truely
>>> "global"  culture is steadily crawling out of the ouze.
>>>
>>> Adam
>>   You are confusing 1930s era scifi with promises of science.
>
> Nope. What I'm saying is that very little of what was possible in the
> 50'es has come to pass & even those things that have have got
> consistently worse in the last couple of decades.
>
> We used to have supersonic airliners. Today we don't. We used to have
> airliners which were just subsonic. Today we don't.
>
> The last time man walked on the moon was.....
>
> The only thing which has really improved has been computers & thus the
> "virtual" which as a result we have to make do with.
>
>
>>  Even later we  see Heinlein's heroes calculating orbits in one book
>> with circular slide  rules and at least better in one a "computer" with
>> binary readouts of  lights.  We have a LOT that was not foreseen in old
>> scifi.
>>  I certainly don't want the morons I see on the road driving in THREE
>> dimensions.
>>
>
> Yup. But...in the decades since Von Braun, where is the "conquest of
> space"?
>
> We're more or less back where we were with sputnik, having reached out
> to the moon etc.
>
> Adam

Garbage.  Supersonic passenger flight was never economic when we had it. And
what is this business about "We used to have airliners which were just
subsonic. Today we don't."  ALL airliners now are subsonic.  Do you know what
subsonic means?  While I'm disappointed that we don't have people on the moon
and the planets we went to the moon in a dramatically expensive way just like
your beloved SSTs.  We are in no way in a "sputnik" era.  In the sputnik era we
were not sending spacecraft to the outer planets.

We enjoy and unprecedented standard of living.  Look at our life expectancy.

--
Gary Wiltshire

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