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Text 11305, 169 rader
Skriven 2006-05-31 20:53:10 av Rich (1:379/45)
  Kommentar till text 11274 av Rich Gauszka (1:379/45)
Ärende: Re: ASLR and safe exceptions
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   Safe exceptions are implemented starting in Windows Server 2003 and =
Windows XP SP2.  From the tools side, support was introduced in Visual =
Studio.NET 2003.  While Mike Howard's blog entry on address = randomization, =
http://blogs.msdn.com/michael_howard/archive/2006/05/26/608315.aspx, = mentions
this and other defense mechanisms, they are all orthogonal.

   And in case anyone really was that stupid, mike miller's bullshit is =
just that.

Rich

  "Rich Gauszka" <gauszka@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
news:447e1e4e@w3.nls.net...
  Does that mean they won't use the Shupak patent? < name could be a=20
  coincidence though >

  =
http://www.freshpatents.com/Safe-exceptions-dt20041230ptan20040268365.php=





  "/m" <mike@barkto.com> wrote in message=20
  news:kp5s72p1duen4gjrcr64rm3tpr51lt1m3g@4ax.com...
  >
  > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=3D32075
  >
  > =3D=3D=3D
  > AN OPEN SAUCE security feature is being used by Microsoft to protect =
its
  > new super soar-away operating system, Vista, from buffer overrun
  > exploits.
  >
  > The feature, called Address Space Layout Randomization (ALSR) has =
been
  > sneaked under the bonnet of Windows Vista Beta 2 as part of a larger
  > plan to make it more difficult to automate attacks against the =
operating
  > system.
  >
  > ALSR randomly arranges the positions of key data areas to prevent
  > malicious hackers from predicting target addresses.
  >
  > The Vole's senior security program manager, Michael Howard told =
readers
  > of his bog that it was switched on by default, too.
  >
  > Howard said the software was added late in the game and that =
sticking on
  > by default it gave the Vole the chance to see how it performs.
  >
  > He said it could serve as a "useful defence" against malware =
attacks. It
  > is a feature of OpenBSD, PaX and Exec Shield.
  > =3D=3D=3D
  >
  > Added late in the game, eh?  Hmmm.... Wouldn't surprise me if the =
best
  > and brightest in Redmond copied the OpenBSD code.  It's under the =
very
  > free BSD license, and Microsoft does like to copy their "innovation"
  > from others.
  >
  >
  > /m=20


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Safe exceptions are =
implemented=20
starting in Windows Server 2003 and Windows XP SP2.&nbsp; From the tools =
side,=20
support was introduced in Visual Studio.NET 2003.&nbsp; While Mike = Howard's
blog=20
entry on address randomization, <A=20
href=3D"http://blogs.msdn.com/michael_howard/archive/2006/05/26/608315.as=
px">http://blogs.msdn.com/michael_howard/archive/2006/05/26/608315.aspx</=
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this and other defense mechanisms, they are all orthogonal.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; And in case anyone really =
was that=20
stupid, mike miller's bullshit is just that.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV>"Rich Gauszka" &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:gauszka@hotmail.com">gauszka@hotmail.com</A>&gt; wrote =
in message=20
  <A =
href=3D"news:447e1e4e@w3.nls.net">news:447e1e4e@w3.nls.net</A>...</DIV>Do=
es=20
  that mean they won't use the Shupak patent? &lt; name could be a=20
  <BR>coincidence though &gt;<BR><BR><A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.freshpatents.com/Safe-exceptions-dt20041230ptan2004026=
8365.php">http://www.freshpatents.com/Safe-exceptions-dt20041230ptan20040=
268365.php</A><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>"/m"=20
  &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:mike@barkto.com">mike@barkto.com</A>&gt; wrote =
in message=20
  <BR><A=20
  =
href=3D"news:kp5s72p1duen4gjrcr64rm3tpr51lt1m3g@4ax.com">news:kp5s72p1due=
n4gjrcr64rm3tpr51lt1m3g@4ax.com</A>...<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;=20
  <A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=3D32075">http://www.theinquir=
er.net/?article=3D32075</A><BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;=20
  =3D=3D=3D<BR>&gt; AN OPEN SAUCE security feature is being used by =
Microsoft to=20
  protect its<BR>&gt; new super soar-away operating system, Vista, from =
buffer=20
  overrun<BR>&gt; exploits.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; The feature, called Address =
Space=20
  Layout Randomization (ALSR) has been<BR>&gt; sneaked under the bonnet =
of=20
  Windows Vista Beta 2 as part of a larger<BR>&gt; plan to make it more=20
  difficult to automate attacks against the operating<BR>&gt;=20
  system.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; ALSR randomly arranges the positions of key =
data areas=20
  to prevent<BR>&gt; malicious hackers from predicting target=20
  addresses.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; The Vole's senior security program manager, =
Michael=20
  Howard told readers<BR>&gt; of his bog that it was switched on by =
default,=20
  too.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Howard said the software was added late in the =
game and=20
  that sticking on<BR>&gt; by default it gave the Vole the chance to see =
how it=20
  performs.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; He said it could serve as a "useful defence" =
against=20
  malware attacks. It<BR>&gt; is a feature of OpenBSD, PaX and Exec=20
  Shield.<BR>&gt; =3D=3D=3D<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Added late in the game, =
eh?&nbsp; Hmmm....=20
  Wouldn't surprise me if the best<BR>&gt; and brightest in Redmond =
copied the=20
  OpenBSD code.&nbsp; It's under the very<BR>&gt; free BSD license, and=20
  Microsoft does like to copy their "innovation"<BR>&gt; from=20
  others.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; /m <BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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